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To want to see Andy Burnham as Labour leader

136 replies

Rollercoaster21 · 08/05/2021 19:15

Aibu to think Andy Burnham would be a brilliant choice for Labour leader? Competent, passionate, unifying, relatable

(and also rather attractive 🤭😜)

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QueenOfTheDoubleWide · 08/05/2021 22:18

I used to like him but the kagoule and tying to look like a remnant from Oasis is putting me off these days. I was not impressed by his "standing up to Westminster", it seemed like a lot of hot air and self-aggrandisement.

echt · 08/05/2021 22:20

@PostLockdownLife

He has interesting associates thus he will be an eventual disaster.
Care to say more? Or even anything that's more precise? Hmm
Tuesdaysintheazores · 08/05/2021 22:25

the kagoule and tying to look like a remnant from Oasis

Yvette Cooper is one of Labour's best talents and I would like to see her as PM. I feel like it's going to be the Scottish guy Anas Sarwar - PM in 2028, you read it here first Wink

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 08/05/2021 22:25

I used to like him but the kagoule and tying to look like a remnant from Oasis is putting me off these days.

People this shallow shouldn't be allowed to vote

StillRailing · 08/05/2021 22:27

Tuesdaysintheazoresv: Do you know I felt I could go out and canvas for Anas Sarwar. I'm highly unlikely to do so nowadays but he definitely made me feel a bit of hope!

Tealightsandd · 08/05/2021 22:29

@RockingMyFiftiesNot

I used to like him but the kagoule and tying to look like a remnant from Oasis is putting me off these days.

People this shallow shouldn't be allowed to vote

The point being made is that he was deliberately doing that look...in a patronising attempt to appeal to people that shallow.
Tuesdaysintheazores · 08/05/2021 22:32

I think he's got a lot of charisma StillRailing and will do well

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 08/05/2021 22:32

The point being made is that he was deliberately doing that look...in a patronising attempt to appeal to people that shallow.

I know people who have known him for a long time and this is who he is. What evidence do you have to support your point above?

StillRailing · 08/05/2021 22:32

Exactly Tealightsand.

Why this modern urge to restrict suffrage all over again. So regressive.

LWOTT · 08/05/2021 22:40

Don’t understand the point about his clothes. He dresses how most men his age dress in the North.
He’s been overlooked because the Labour Party don’t want a Northern leader, or indeed a woman. They will stick with Starmer and he will continue to be a disaster. The party know nothing about their heartlands.

Honeyroar · 08/05/2021 22:48

I completely went off him during his tier three performance. I didn’t vote for him this week. I’d be delighted to see him FO to Westminster. He’s probably what Labour need to face Boris and lean things over to labour. He’s just as self centred and as flash and smarmy as Blair was. Let’s face it, so few of the British people seem to listen to or care about many policies, they just seem to vote for the best performance nowadays.

Tealightsandd · 08/05/2021 22:48

Yeah ok. All men in the north dress in the same stereotypical "Northern" way. According to you. And Andy. The rest of the public know otherwise. People - including those in the north - are individuals, with varied dress sense. Sometimes even changing their style. Imagine! Andy himself has changed his style. He lived in sharp suits when he served under the Blair government.

The last Labour Prime Minister was Scottish. Not northern, England, no, but not southern England either. The people - the voting public - don't need divisive identity politics. They don't need a professional Northerner. They need someone - wherever they're from - with actual decent policies.

Thatisnotwhatisaid · 08/05/2021 22:52

I voted for him to be leader back in 2015. I never minded Corbyn either fwiw but Burnham is fantastic.

He’s doing such a brilliant job for GM, I don’t think he will run as leader again.

RockingMyFiftiesNot · 08/05/2021 22:53

@Tealightsandd

Yeah ok. All men in the north dress in the same stereotypical "Northern" way. According to you. And Andy. The rest of the public know otherwise. People - including those in the north - are individuals, with varied dress sense. Sometimes even changing their style. Imagine! Andy himself has changed his style. He lived in sharp suits when he served under the Blair government.

The last Labour Prime Minister was Scottish. Not northern, England, no, but not southern England either. The people - the voting public - don't need divisive identity politics. They don't need a professional Northerner. They need someone - wherever they're from - with actual decent policies.

What a load of bollocks.
Thatisnotwhatisaid · 08/05/2021 22:54

He dresses how most men his age dress in the North.

This did make me laugh.

Thatisnotwhatisaid · 08/05/2021 22:55

The last Labour Prime Minister was Scottish

We didn’t vote for him though.

LWOTT · 08/05/2021 22:57

How do most men dress then? He doesn’t stand out compared to most men I know. Weird take to be honest.

AnneElliott · 08/05/2021 22:59

Andy Burnham is a lovely bloke but I don't think he'd be a great leader. He's a Spad through and through and while very popular as a constituency MP he bases his opinions on what the papers are going to say - he doesn't have fixed principles on very many issues.

Alonim · 08/05/2021 23:02

Yes but David Miliband would be better (if he ever came back).

I like Andy Burnham - not sure whether he or David Miliband would be better - but I think it's time for Starmer to go. He's been good at erasing the smell of Corbyn - but now someone with a bit more umph is needed.

Tealightsandd · 08/05/2021 23:09

@Thatisnotwhatisaid

The last Labour Prime Minister was Scottish

We didn’t vote for him though.

People did vote for his predecessor. Who is also Scottish.
SycamoreGap · 09/05/2021 17:07

[quote rabbitheadlights]@sycamoreGap

20:22SycamoreGap

No thanks - not a great leader and has made questionable decisions in the past. The fact that he won the Greater Manchester Mayoral election (that’s Greater Manchester not Manchester) comes as no real surprise given the voting population of Greater Manchester

What does that mean?[/quote]
It means that a majority of Greater Manchester (maybe not Trafford and a few other leafy suburbs) vote for the party and not the person.

ZenNudist · 09/05/2021 17:16

I'm from Manchester. Voted AB gladly. I'm Trafford though, is that somehow better?

I'd have preferred him as Labour leader but now want him to stick around as mayor here.

I actually liked KS but he seems to back the Tories on everything despite an execrable performance over Covid and running the country into the ground.

Luckylau · 09/05/2021 17:19

I think the red wall vote change has shown that this is increasingly no longer the case. After all, Leigh has a Con MP wouldn't be a stretch to also vote for a Con mayor. In the majority, Greater Manchester Labour councils held up better than most in this election because of the Burnham effect. Trafford Council even increased its Labour Mps.

C130 · 09/05/2021 17:33

@Shopliftersoftheworldunite

I want David Lammy.
Hear, hear.
the80sweregreat · 09/05/2021 18:53

I like David Lammy too.
I don't feel that Sir Kier Starmer is really that comfortable doing this job.
It wouldn't shock me if he went back to being a barrister one day to be honest.