To despair that people still vote Tory given their track record and outright dishonesty?

[flashbac]

I don't get it. Its depressing. We deserve better than this surely? Why give them the green light? What kind of society do we want? One where liars get our approval?

Zero confidence in labour just because they are the opperstion they have to opposed practical everything .
Just so complelty negative if they did get in power they would just spend the entries time blaming the tories before them rather than getting on with anything .

@MangosteenSoda I am embarrassed that he is our Prime Minister and that our government are behaving like some tinpot corrupt country. Every government has had policies I disagree with, but at least they usually try and appear competent.
I wish Starmer was more charismatic. I suspect he is very competent and honest. You do not get to be a top lawyer without being competent and honest.

"And tbf being told to get out of a party is a pretty big issue. They sent thousands of women away."

I don't remember Keir Starmer telling you to get out of the party. Nor have I seen it on their website.

Have you any idea how many right wing TRAs there are? How many are Conservatives? I can think of several, one of whom is Christine Burns, who started Press For Change with Stephen Whittle.
Have you ever wondered why they don't ask Boris Johnson for his opinion on gender identity?

This "politically homeless" "spoiling my vote" encouragement pops up every single election and its sole purpose is to deter left wing voters from casting their votes. Isn't it time you stopped falling for it?

Oh, and you mention the rape crisis centre with the trans CEO. Did you know that Sue Pascoe fully endorses it and tweeted that Mridul is "an inspiration"?
Sue is trans, too. Sue is also described as "Chairman of the North and East Yorkshire Conservative Women's Organisation" on the Conservative Women's Organisation website.

I vote Conservative.

I associate Labour with endless strikes in my childhood, people like Derek Hatton and Ken Livingstone. The Blair years, a fortune wasted on pointless crap like the dome, the lies about the Iraq war. The 'there's no money left' note. How could any one choose Labour last time. I still don't know what their policy on Europe was. Corbyn was useless. They knew the public loathed him but refused to listen.

I'm a single mum, a natural Labour voter but I'd rather rely on myself than government. At least I know where I stand.

It's not a simple equation though is it? You can't say as some of you have, what's the alternative? The real question is, what do we do about the press? Until newspapers in particular, treat both main parties with the same disdain or flattery then you may as well not vote as Murdoch will always decide for you.

@tanith I despair at people willing to condemn more children to poverty, cuts to women's charity sector, increasing inequality and naked corruption all because of some extremism on the left.
Those extremists are not Prime Minister, they left the Labour party in droves when Starmer was elected. There are a few left but they have no real power. It is just an excuse not to look at the bigger picture.

@Mintjulia So you vote for Boris Johnson who wasted millions on a garden bridge that was never built? Who has wasted billions of taxpayers money giving money to his mates for no equipment or useless equipment? Who lied to the fisherman that he would secure their livelihood with Brexit and then sold them out?
This is the person you are voting for.

@Hotankles I share your concerns, and if that is your top priority the voting, then it does make absolute sense and should do to the OP too. I think the key issue is that whilst important to me, sex based rights don't trump the welfare of kids, or struggling families, or the NHS, so on balance, there has to be a concession to a party that can that can provide for the latter too.

[quote fiheka]@Mintjulia So you vote for Boris Johnson who wasted millions on a garden bridge that was never built? Who has wasted billions of taxpayers money giving money to his mates for no equipment or useless equipment? Who lied to the fisherman that he would secure their livelihood with Brexit and then sold them out?
This is the person you are voting for.[/quote]
This! In spades.
The Magic money tree has grown this past year.
Huge.

Hell would freeze over before I would vote Labour. I don't agree with their socialist policies - I am Conservative through and through and would always vote for them because they mostly stand for what I believe and want.

@Mintjulia

I vote Conservative.

I associate Labour with endless strikes in my childhood, people like Derek Hatton and Ken Livingstone. The Blair years, a fortune wasted on pointless crap like the dome, the lies about the Iraq war. The 'there's no money left' note. How could any one choose Labour last time. I still don't know what their policy on Europe was. Corbyn was useless. They knew the public loathed him but refused to listen.

I'm a single mum, a natural Labour voter but I'd rather rely on myself than government. At least I know where I stand.

Do you know what Boris Johnson thinks of your kids? He thinks they are “ill-raised, ignorant, aggressive and illegitimate”, and that it is “outrageous that married couples should pay for ‘the single mothers’ desire to procreate independently of men”.

So show me a party that is competent with money, more honest and actually deals with issues pragmatically.........!

The last politician I honestly rated was Mo Mowlem.

@flashbac

I don't get it. Its depressing. We deserve better than this surely? Why give them the green light? What kind of society do we want? One where liars get our approval?

Whilst I definitely agree, all the other political parties are equally repugnant. I don't know the answer

I liked Mo Mowlam too.
I would accept a competent Conservative PM.
But as long as people excuse Bris Johnson, vote for him and don't complain, he will stay there.
If people were complaining to their local MPs en masse, the Conservatives would ditch him in a heartbeat.
I just want someone competent and not corrupt.

Interested - genuinely - in the split of opinions on Blair from people saying otherwise similar things, it seems that some people won't vote Labour until they get back someone like Tony Blair, and some people won't vote Labour BECAUSE of people like Blair. I'm glad I'm not the person trying to work out how to appeal to both sets.

Hell would freeze over before I would vote Labour. I don't agree with their socialist policies - I am Conservative through and through and would always vote for them because they mostly stand for what I believe and want.

I hope you don't use the NHS then, or take any weekends or paid holidays off work, or use libraries or public parks, or claim maternity or paternity pay, or child benefit, or sick pay, or benefit from the minimum wage being in place, or health and safety guidelines at work. All of those things were fought for by the unions who formed the Labour party, and they're all socialism in action.

@duffeldaisy

It might sound patronising, and it's really not meant to. But seriously - if you look at the actual facts - like how many Surestarts were closed down, a third of all libraries shut down, no pay rise for nurses and their bursaries cut.... if people who voted for all of that weren't ignorant that all that would happen then you're saying that they voted for that willingly?

Of course we voted for that willingly. We couldn't afford them.

duffeldaisy
The EU procurement strategy was completely up to each country. Even if we had been involved, we might have been able to help to speed up the process if we were keen for the vaccines earlier, as we could have been involved in the talks on that.

Boris Johnson appointed Kate Bingham to lead the UK's Vaccine Taskforce - Labour MPs complained that she was a 'crony' venture capitalist (risk taker).

Michel Barnier;
The EU's lethargic vaccine rollout suffered from a lack of appetite for risk, a "mistrust" of public-private partnerships and an inability of countries to act alone, the bloc's Brexit negotiator has admitted.

Mr Barnier spoke of "an almost ideological mistrust of public-private partnerships" ...

"The British took risks by financing the private sector. The Americans took risks. We don't know how to do that yet."

news.sky.com/story/brexit-negotiator-michel-barnier-admits-to-eu-vaccine-rollout-mistakes-12296579

Labour...would have been extremely unlikely to give vital jobs like PPE procurement or ventilator manufacture to their mates in completely unrelated fields of work.

So Labour would not have set the Ventilator Challenge and involved companies from aerospace, motorsport and automotive sectors?

UK Prime Minister called on British manufacturing to help step up ventilator supplies to save lives during the coronavirus pandemic. Following this, a number of the UK’s leading technology and engineering firms have partnered with specialist manufacturers to build existing, modified or newly designed ventilators...

the work of VentilatorChallengeUK, the Consortium of UK aerospace, motorsport, automotive and medical businesses concludes after more than doubling the stock available to the NHS.

www.penlon.com/Blog/July-2020/VentilatorChallengeUK-consortium-ends-after-delive

I would vote for someone like Blair without the Iraq war stuff. Or someone like John Major or John Smith. A centrist who is competent, honest and is committed to improving the country.

@Clavinova There did not need to be a ventilator challenge. There were multiple firms interviewed on TV who make ventilators who contacted the government and heard nothing back. They ended up selling their ventilators abroad.
It was plain corruption.

@MagicSummer Labour aren’t a socialist party.

It’s good that you know what you want and vote for it - low taxes and skeleton public services is what the Tories stand for and what lots of people want. Then the shit hits the fan and they need the public services they didn’t want to fund . . .

Because people are still angry at Labour for trying to overturn the biggest vote in generations with the Brexit referendum.

The Tories still have a bounce for delivering Brexit.

Plus,people are tired of what they see as Woke Labour and student politics.

fiheka
There did not need to be a ventilator challenge. There were multiple firms interviewed on TV who make ventilators who contacted the government and heard nothing back.

No doubt you have the names of some of these companies so we can look at their websites?

Yes I have no time for woke Labour and student politics. But they are the people who have been leaving the party in droves.
But even if we still had the Conservative party, Boris Johnson would have gone if people cared about the corruption.

@Clavinova of course not, I do not take notes when watching the news. But if you did not see these multiple interviews then you are not keeping up with the news.