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Considering changing DDs school talk me down?

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TheLonelyCup · 04/05/2021 16:43

DD is 6, year 2, I’d be looking to move her ready for year 3 so September.

But I think I might be UR. This is a mainstream state primary.

In terms of academically, I’m happy. She’s behind in all areas but school have put things in place and she’s making slow and steady progress, she’s suspected to have dyslexia and/or dyspraxia. She has joint hypermobility syndrome and this is particularly bad in her feet and hips, but is also in her wrists, jaw, eyes and fingers. She also has some mild hearing loss on one side – she was treated with grommets which solved most of her hearing problems but not all. The JHS and hearing issues causes her speech to be slightly delayed, so she sounds like a 3 or 4 year old rather than a nearly 7 year old which may also be adding to her issues.

She is generally happy at school, but there seems to be more and more issues socially. I don’t know whether it’s just a covid thing or to do with the hearing loss that she’s missing the intent from her friends but I will list the issues here.

Will add here, DD knows her own mind and can be very stubborn, the issues are not entirely all the schools/classes fault, I know DD is no angel.

  1. She struggles to lift most bottles and cups as once they have water in them they’re too heavy, so she either drops them and they smash or she can’t lift them. She also has a habit of chewing the tops if the sports lid is too soft. So I bought her the cup pictured (school insist that bottles are clear so you can see the liquid inside, it can’t have a straw and the child must be able to fill it themselves which rules out most bottles for DD). She’s now refusing to take the bottle to school because some of her classmates say it’s a babies bottle. I let this one slide and just gave her a big drink before school and when she gets home, but it is annoying especially on days when she’s at ASC.
  1. She refuses to eat her school dinner. A lot of the other children are on packed lunches. She has packed lunches 2 days a week when I’m not at work, the other days she’s at ASC so has the hot lunch at school but she refuses to eat it. Teacher has discussed this with me and they are working on it with the class as a whole but individually they’re a bit stumped.
  1. On the above she will often not eat her packed lunch anyway as I try and make it healthy a typical lunch will be a slice of ham, some cubed cheese (she doesn’t like bread), cucumber sticks, sliced strawberries or sliced apple and a chocolate bar. She’ll often eat just the chocolate bar. According to her her friends lunches are just chocolate and sweets (I don’t actually believe this, I think she’s chatting away which she doesn’t get the chance to do when on hot dinners as she sits in a different place to them) teacher tries to encourage her to eat her lunch but she often refuses
  1. She won’t eat fruit unless it’s cut up, so for morning playtime I send in a box with her fruit cut up, but now she refuses to eat it because her classmates say only babies eat cut up fruit. Again teacher is working on this with the class.
  1. She will often say a particular child won’t play with her because her (the other child) mum says she’s not allowed to play with DD. I’m fine with this and tell DD to find someone else to play with but it seems to bother her a lot and she gets upset. It also seems the other children she wants to play with play with this girl but DD isn’t included. This has been mentioned by the teacher but I’ve told the teacher not to force the issue as I don’t know exactly why this girl can’t play with DD (it could be that DD has said something mean or upset her and that’s why, which I understand like I said DD is not an angel or perfect)

She’s in the same class as she started in in Reception (2 form entry) as they usually mix the classes at the end of year 1 then again end of year 2 or 3, then again end of 4 but due to covid they’ve kept them the same, they don’t know if they’ll be mixing the classes or keeping them the same for year 3 which also adds to my worry over it as if she’s got another year with these people. Until March of year 1 she spent some time with the other class as they have the same PE and Music lessons plus spent playtimes and lunchtimes together so she had a few friends in that class, now however they don’t spend anytime with them apart from having the same playtimes, but they’re kept apart and play on different playgrounds so no chance to mix, she doesn’t remember the names of anyone in the other class anymore, so I don’t know whether a move to the other class if they don’t mix them might be a good move? Although that causes issues for the class she’s in as it takes numbers under 20 in her class (25 currently in other class).

Teacher says DD is fine in class, behind but there’s no issues with her behaviour bar the usual talking when the teacher is. She’s a late july born. We don’t think it’s bullying and it could be DD taking the comments wrong but I am stuck on how to help her.

I also know we could get the same problems in a new school/class. There are spaces at the 2 other nearest schools to us, but they are a further walk away which is something to consider given DDs diagnosises.

So AIBU and WWYD? Is there anything more school could be doing?

For added context I’m a single parent. Left ExH when DD was a toddler due to his violence and control, he sees DD EOW for 1 night for court ordered contact. He doesn’t mind where she goes to school as long as he knows where she is. DD is an only child, has no cousins and is unlikely to have them.

Considering changing DDs school talk me down?
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SnarkyBag · 05/05/2021 22:28

I think the school need to be much more accommodating on the drinking bottle front. Is there any reason why she can’t just have a small open cup that she just fills with enough water as and when she needs it during the school day?

Or how about a bottle like this with a flip lid on the spout? She could fill it up directly into the spout rather than having to unscrew the lid itself

kitchenwarexpress.co.uk/products/joe-wicks-sports-bottle?variant=29907049578575&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvZnLr72z8AIVh63tCh2e-wMQEAQYDiABEgJXP_D_BwE

Sorry to hear OT were crap this is exactly the sort of thing we should be able to help with Hmm

SnarkyBag · 05/05/2021 22:34

Also how about making the cut up fruit look a bit novel by skewering the pieces on to lolly sticks or straws. The novelty may distract other children from the baby comments. You can get some lovely novelty skewers but school may prefer something less pointy!

Catawaul · 05/05/2021 22:59

I don't know if this is a daft idea or something you've already tried, but you could cut the food into shapes. My 8 year old has fruit and veg shapes and she's never mentioned mean comments. I cut everything I can into these stars, kiwi,
grapes, blueberries, cucumber, melon cubes and you can get tiny cookie cutters for harder veg like carrots:
Some more ideas: www.latimes.com/food/story/2020-08-18/tiktok-mom-jessica-woo-makes-bento-lunches
And sorry if it's silly!Smile

TheLonelyCup · 05/05/2021 23:00

@fiheka

I know you haven't talked about this, but for a child like your daughter, I would make sure that out of school uniform she had very trendy clothes and trendy underclothes for when she changes for PE. It is not something I normally bother about, but for a child already struggling, these things can make a real difference.
Also picking up on this again she has the same trainers as her friends.

She's fussy with clothes, like I said she knows her own mind. But she does have sparkly flashing trainers she wears for none uniform days the rest of her clothes are very similar to her friends as they mostly live in primark/tesco/matalan which is where i shop for DD. She chooses her own clothes but her style is similar to others usually tshirt with a pattern (DD usually chooses unicorns or revisble sequins) and leggings, or jersey dresses with tshirts underneath (her choice).

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TheLonelyCup · 05/05/2021 23:01

@Catawaul

I don't know if this is a daft idea or something you've already tried, but you could cut the food into shapes. My 8 year old has fruit and veg shapes and she's never mentioned mean comments. I cut everything I can into these stars, kiwi, grapes, blueberries, cucumber, melon cubes and you can get tiny cookie cutters for harder veg like carrots: Some more ideas: www.latimes.com/food/story/2020-08-18/tiktok-mom-jessica-woo-makes-bento-lunches And sorry if it's silly!Smile
I love this idea! I will definitely get some mini cookie cutters thank you
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TheLonelyCup · 05/05/2021 23:05

@SnarkyBag

I think the school need to be much more accommodating on the drinking bottle front. Is there any reason why she can’t just have a small open cup that she just fills with enough water as and when she needs it during the school day?

Or how about a bottle like this with a flip lid on the spout? She could fill it up directly into the spout rather than having to unscrew the lid itself

kitchenwarexpress.co.uk/products/joe-wicks-sports-bottle?variant=29907049578575&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIvZnLr72z8AIVh63tCh2e-wMQEAQYDiABEgJXP_D_BwE

Sorry to hear OT were crap this is exactly the sort of thing we should be able to help with Hmm

As long as it doesn't have a straw she's allowed it but it has to be closed at the moment due to covid, school will not compromise on those. They take their drinks bottles to lunch with them so if she's refusing she can be going all day without.

The problem is is finding a cup she can lift when it's got water in it. At home we use open topped cups that we just fill with a bit of water at a time but at school she can't do that, so she needs to be able to lift it when it's got water in a lot of the harder plastic ones are too heavy when filled and the cheaper ones she breaks easily as they slip.

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TheLonelyCup · 10/05/2021 18:25

Meeting update:

They are going to tackle the girl who keeps excluding her. They think it's a bit of a lockdown issues. Basically they had 12 out of 20 in the class in school, and then another 5 or so where in a childcare bubble together and it's those 5 that have become a bit of an "exclusive" club apparently, they're tackling it with the parents but some are a bit resistent to letting it happen if the class whatsapp is anything to go by.

They will compromise on the bottle not being clear but won't compromise on the straw at the moment "due to covid" but it gives me a few more options. We're reviewing this at half term if she's still not drinking they will allow her a bit of squash in her bottle but got to try a different bottle first.

The dinner issue is still a working progress. DD's now refusing to eat for me in the evenings (is fine at weekends when I do a meal) and we're still having the issue of her not eating her packed lunch either. They tried sitting her away from her classmates but she just got upset. They can't keep her in at playtime/lunch play as the exercise really helps her. So we're trying to work around that.

So any other suggestions for eating? School are really trying, so I won't be moving her yet but it is still in the back of my mind.

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NoSquirrels · 10/05/2021 18:46

The dinner issue is still a working progress. DD's now refusing to eat for me in the evenings (is fine at weekends when I do a meal) and we're still having the issue of her not eating her packed lunch either. They tried sitting her away from her classmates but she just got upset. They can't keep her in at playtime/lunch play as the exercise really helps her. So we're trying to work around that.

When you say at weekends you “do a meal” what is different about mid-week meals? Is it a different food thing, or just that she’s really tired by the time she eats in the evening?

If you look at her food intake overall across the week, is it a problem? Does she eat a big breakfast, eat well in the evenings on your non-work days, eat well at weekends? If so I would try to relax about either school dinners or packed lunches not being entirely successful and just switch her to all one or the other - probably packed lunches.

On the bottles, whilst it goes against the grain to suggest it, would disposable bottled water work? You can get mini versions e.g. 300ml groceries.morrisons.com/products/morrisons-yorkshire-vale-still-water-sports-cap-524513011

I’ve no idea why they think an inbuilt straw with a flip top cap could be a Covid risk, that’s a bit mad.

TheLonelyCup · 10/05/2021 18:52

@NoSquirrels

The dinner issue is still a working progress. DD's now refusing to eat for me in the evenings (is fine at weekends when I do a meal) and we're still having the issue of her not eating her packed lunch either. They tried sitting her away from her classmates but she just got upset. They can't keep her in at playtime/lunch play as the exercise really helps her. So we're trying to work around that.

When you say at weekends you “do a meal” what is different about mid-week meals? Is it a different food thing, or just that she’s really tired by the time she eats in the evening?

If you look at her food intake overall across the week, is it a problem? Does she eat a big breakfast, eat well in the evenings on your non-work days, eat well at weekends? If so I would try to relax about either school dinners or packed lunches not being entirely successful and just switch her to all one or the other - probably packed lunches.

On the bottles, whilst it goes against the grain to suggest it, would disposable bottled water work? You can get mini versions e.g. 300ml groceries.morrisons.com/products/morrisons-yorkshire-vale-still-water-sports-cap-524513011

I’ve no idea why they think an inbuilt straw with a flip top cap could be a Covid risk, that’s a bit mad.

Only thing I would say I cook differently at weekends is I do a roast on Sunday. She doesn’t eat for ExH either on his weekends though so overall it is a bit of a worry.

But I cook a lot from scratch on my days off, been trying to do reheatable meals for the days I’m working but it’s not going to well atm with her eating.

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Powerof4 · 10/05/2021 18:52

How on earth is a straw a covid risk? If she’s got hyper mobility then they need to accommodate, it’s that simple.

And why the excluding has been happening since school went back. They might be making noises, but to me that doesn’t sound like trying at all, sorry.

NoSquirrels · 10/05/2021 19:03

Do you eat at different times on weekdays to weekends? Is it a tiredness issue?

If she eats better at breakfast, try not to worry at tea time I guess is what I’m getting at.

All the focus on food might be having the opposite effect - if her issues generally cause her a bit of extra stress, and eating is probably slower/harder/more effort, and she’s “a bit stubborn” anyway, then it’s probably counterproductive to add a lot of focus to it with school and at home. Try to make sure she’s getting calorie-dense stuff (extra butter/cream etc in sauces etc) and give her what she’s happy to eat even if it’s unconventional or you think it’s not perfect nutritionally- better potato waffles with cheese and beans (or just ketchup!) that she eats than food that’s more nutritious that she leaves.

Tons of 6/7/8/9 year olds are fussy buggers. Ask her what she’d like in her packed lunch & then just try not to worry too much about it, I think. Feed her up sneakily when it’s more relaxed.

TheLonelyCup · 12/05/2021 21:59

@NoSquirrels

Do you eat at different times on weekdays to weekends? Is it a tiredness issue?

If she eats better at breakfast, try not to worry at tea time I guess is what I’m getting at.

All the focus on food might be having the opposite effect - if her issues generally cause her a bit of extra stress, and eating is probably slower/harder/more effort, and she’s “a bit stubborn” anyway, then it’s probably counterproductive to add a lot of focus to it with school and at home. Try to make sure she’s getting calorie-dense stuff (extra butter/cream etc in sauces etc) and give her what she’s happy to eat even if it’s unconventional or you think it’s not perfect nutritionally- better potato waffles with cheese and beans (or just ketchup!) that she eats than food that’s more nutritious that she leaves.

Tons of 6/7/8/9 year olds are fussy buggers. Ask her what she’d like in her packed lunch & then just try not to worry too much about it, I think. Feed her up sneakily when it’s more relaxed.

On a weekday if i'm doing a meal we actually eat a little bit earlier than we would at the weekend because she's generally complaining she's starving. I tried later meal times like at the weekend and she fell asleep at the table. School does exhaust her though so it could be tiredness.

I give her what she asks for in her lunchbox, she doesn't eat bread or anything with bread in it (although likes chicken nuggets). I tried pasta today and she left everything including the chocolate bar! I give up with trying to feed her. Have emailed her teacher a list of what she will supposedly eat off the menu and told them to just leave her to it. They won't keep her inside as her JHS means she needs the exercise to help manage her pain plus sitting in one position for a long time is also bad for her, I can't get calpol into her the days I work as I'm too far away and school won't give it unless it's on prescription which understandably the doctor is reluctant to prescribe.

If she loses weight then we'll get back into see the dietician quicker as losing weight is as bad as gaining it excessively for her but maybe we'll then get a plan in place for her because I can't go on like this.

Good news is she seems to be drinking more at school, teacher is making sure she has milk at playtime and also lunch so she's not going all day without a drink at least.

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TheLonelyCup · 14/05/2021 18:34

They're not mixing the classes, 3 more children are due to join between now who will go straight into DDs class so thats 23 in the class. So now I do need to decide what I'm going to do.

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