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Considering changing DDs school talk me down?

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TheLonelyCup · 04/05/2021 16:43

DD is 6, year 2, I’d be looking to move her ready for year 3 so September.

But I think I might be UR. This is a mainstream state primary.

In terms of academically, I’m happy. She’s behind in all areas but school have put things in place and she’s making slow and steady progress, she’s suspected to have dyslexia and/or dyspraxia. She has joint hypermobility syndrome and this is particularly bad in her feet and hips, but is also in her wrists, jaw, eyes and fingers. She also has some mild hearing loss on one side – she was treated with grommets which solved most of her hearing problems but not all. The JHS and hearing issues causes her speech to be slightly delayed, so she sounds like a 3 or 4 year old rather than a nearly 7 year old which may also be adding to her issues.

She is generally happy at school, but there seems to be more and more issues socially. I don’t know whether it’s just a covid thing or to do with the hearing loss that she’s missing the intent from her friends but I will list the issues here.

Will add here, DD knows her own mind and can be very stubborn, the issues are not entirely all the schools/classes fault, I know DD is no angel.

  1. She struggles to lift most bottles and cups as once they have water in them they’re too heavy, so she either drops them and they smash or she can’t lift them. She also has a habit of chewing the tops if the sports lid is too soft. So I bought her the cup pictured (school insist that bottles are clear so you can see the liquid inside, it can’t have a straw and the child must be able to fill it themselves which rules out most bottles for DD). She’s now refusing to take the bottle to school because some of her classmates say it’s a babies bottle. I let this one slide and just gave her a big drink before school and when she gets home, but it is annoying especially on days when she’s at ASC.
  1. She refuses to eat her school dinner. A lot of the other children are on packed lunches. She has packed lunches 2 days a week when I’m not at work, the other days she’s at ASC so has the hot lunch at school but she refuses to eat it. Teacher has discussed this with me and they are working on it with the class as a whole but individually they’re a bit stumped.
  1. On the above she will often not eat her packed lunch anyway as I try and make it healthy a typical lunch will be a slice of ham, some cubed cheese (she doesn’t like bread), cucumber sticks, sliced strawberries or sliced apple and a chocolate bar. She’ll often eat just the chocolate bar. According to her her friends lunches are just chocolate and sweets (I don’t actually believe this, I think she’s chatting away which she doesn’t get the chance to do when on hot dinners as she sits in a different place to them) teacher tries to encourage her to eat her lunch but she often refuses
  1. She won’t eat fruit unless it’s cut up, so for morning playtime I send in a box with her fruit cut up, but now she refuses to eat it because her classmates say only babies eat cut up fruit. Again teacher is working on this with the class.
  1. She will often say a particular child won’t play with her because her (the other child) mum says she’s not allowed to play with DD. I’m fine with this and tell DD to find someone else to play with but it seems to bother her a lot and she gets upset. It also seems the other children she wants to play with play with this girl but DD isn’t included. This has been mentioned by the teacher but I’ve told the teacher not to force the issue as I don’t know exactly why this girl can’t play with DD (it could be that DD has said something mean or upset her and that’s why, which I understand like I said DD is not an angel or perfect)

She’s in the same class as she started in in Reception (2 form entry) as they usually mix the classes at the end of year 1 then again end of year 2 or 3, then again end of 4 but due to covid they’ve kept them the same, they don’t know if they’ll be mixing the classes or keeping them the same for year 3 which also adds to my worry over it as if she’s got another year with these people. Until March of year 1 she spent some time with the other class as they have the same PE and Music lessons plus spent playtimes and lunchtimes together so she had a few friends in that class, now however they don’t spend anytime with them apart from having the same playtimes, but they’re kept apart and play on different playgrounds so no chance to mix, she doesn’t remember the names of anyone in the other class anymore, so I don’t know whether a move to the other class if they don’t mix them might be a good move? Although that causes issues for the class she’s in as it takes numbers under 20 in her class (25 currently in other class).

Teacher says DD is fine in class, behind but there’s no issues with her behaviour bar the usual talking when the teacher is. She’s a late july born. We don’t think it’s bullying and it could be DD taking the comments wrong but I am stuck on how to help her.

I also know we could get the same problems in a new school/class. There are spaces at the 2 other nearest schools to us, but they are a further walk away which is something to consider given DDs diagnosises.

So AIBU and WWYD? Is there anything more school could be doing?

For added context I’m a single parent. Left ExH when DD was a toddler due to his violence and control, he sees DD EOW for 1 night for court ordered contact. He doesn’t mind where she goes to school as long as he knows where she is. DD is an only child, has no cousins and is unlikely to have them.

Considering changing DDs school talk me down?
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NeverDropYourMoonCup · 04/05/2021 18:18

@TheLonelyCup

Will add, school are happy to help her with refilling etc but DD wants to be like her friends and do it herself, she rarely asks for help. Which both school and I encourage and praise as we obviously want her to be independent.
It doesn't do her any favours in the long run, though. It certainly didn't do me any. Independence also includes knowing when to ask for help and not being ashamed to do so.

If you put some rubber bands around the screw top, that could help her get some purchase on the surface, rather than struggling to apply enough pressure to be able to twist it alone. A narrower neck bottle is always easier to twist than one you can't get your hand all the way around, as they require far greater grip strength.

Not that she should be taking the insoles out anyway (you should be able to get more than one set?), but the other thing is to label the inside of the shoes to match them, so the right insole is always in the right foot, for example. You could use a pen or put flat labels on the inside of the shoes - so as well as the smiley face idea, there's also Right and Left on both, which also backs up reading skills.

Soontobe60 · 04/05/2021 18:20

If I send a packed lunch everyday on the days I'm working she won't get a substantial meal as I work until 5 so pick her up at 5.30-5.45ish, then it's home for a quick snacky tea and bed, her JHS makes her exhausted so shes in bed by 6.45pm she can't manage much past that

Send her a bigger packed lunch so she can finish it after school, and have her tea ready prepped to heat up as soon as you get home - stuff like pasta, cottage pie etc that can be bunged in the microwave.

TheLonelyCup · 04/05/2021 18:21

@NeverDropYourMoonCup They change shoes for PE, so her insoles also change shoes.

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NeverDropYourMoonCup · 04/05/2021 18:27

[quote TheLonelyCup]@NeverDropYourMoonCup They change shoes for PE, so her insoles also change shoes.[/quote]
I'd ask for a second set. They might be able to do it on the NHS or by making a charge - contacting the Orthotics Service that issued them should be fairly simple by email.

Saz12 · 04/05/2021 18:27

This might be genuinely dreadful & damaging idea. But how about finding an activity where being excessively bendy is a good thing? Gymnastics? Kids’ yoga? Find a very definitely non-competitive club that offers recreation classes; discuss hyper mobility with trainers first.

I don’t know anything about hyper mobility so it could be a terrible idea....

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 04/05/2021 18:28

Or, part of her reasonable adjustments could be wearing her trainers all the time, and that way, no shoe or orthotic changing would be necessary?

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 04/05/2021 18:29

@Saz12

This might be genuinely dreadful & damaging idea. But how about finding an activity where being excessively bendy is a good thing? Gymnastics? Kids’ yoga? Find a very definitely non-competitive club that offers recreation classes; discuss hyper mobility with trainers first.

I don’t know anything about hyper mobility so it could be a terrible idea....

Got to stabilise the joints before you start encouraging them past the point of no return. Dislocations and subluxes aren't that much fun.
Regeisthebest · 04/05/2021 18:31

Not exactly the question you asked OP but has your DD been assessed for EDS, rather than JHS? I don’t know for sure but would have thought an EDS diagnosis might help bolster an EHCP application & she’s sounds like her symptoms are more severe than JHS?

The school sound quite supportive so it might be better the devil you know...I think try packed lunches everyday, ask on the EDS U.K. Facebook groups for a good water bottle recommendation & work on resilience building skills. Have a look at the big life journal & their tool kits & I agree with previous posters that finding her an outside school activity to expand her social network & build her confidence is a good idea.

Bumpinthenight · 04/05/2021 18:32

How about a thermos flask for something hot from home in for lunch.
I used to send my DD in with soup, fish fingers, mash and beans, pasta etc.

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Bumpinthenight · 04/05/2021 18:37

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TeenMinusTests · 04/05/2021 18:37

Never Independence also includes knowing when to ask for help and not being ashamed to do so.

I totally agree. She needs praise for asking for help on the water bottle. 'Owning' her difficulties would help if she can 'I have extra bendy joints so unscrewing water bottles is extra hard for me'.

lanthanum · 04/05/2021 18:41

The Aladdin bottles have a sufficiently wide spout that they could be filled through that if necessary.

I would contact Brownies - I would hope they're not just getting rid of those who didn't cope with the online provision, although obviously if there are waiting lists they might prioritise those who did attend.

Subordinateclause · 04/05/2021 18:46

I'm not sure if I've read it properly but it sounds like she's in an unusually small class. If these class sizes continue all through school, I'd be really reluctant to move her. Classes of 30 are the norm, and a class of 30+ is not at all unusual in juniors. As a teacher, having a small class has been the biggest thing that's made a difference to how I can support SEN children. I actually think the school sound reasonably supportive and it sounds like you have a good dialogue running with them. Agree they need to crack down on baby comments - I ask children to tell me as soon as something happens so it can be dealt with; it's an awful lot harder to deal with when it's vague "so and so is always calling me x, y, z" type comments.

TeenMinusTests · 04/05/2021 18:46

The problem with Brownies (though I may be 45 years out of date) could be that it will be more of the same. Crafts and games that the DD will struggle with, and many classmates there too. Which is why I'd try to find something a bit off piste. Interestingly my DDs with motor skills issues both enjoy ice-skating, though it may not work with hypermobility I guess.

Hankunamatata · 04/05/2021 18:48

Firstly kids are mean, esp girls. An off comment from one child about something can cut another child to the bone.

I had the same issue with water bottles as mine chew everything. Got a nuby one similar but clear and he was called a baby. We experimented with different bottles and I also used to send in 2/3 in backpack to avoid the refill problem.

snack - mine have an unpeeled tangerine in an easy open box, that way its not cut up.

lunches - pack lunch as that what their friends have. They refused hot dinners as their friends were pack lunch. Haven't managed to overcome the problem of slow eating and talking to friends so they don't eat it. I give porridge in the morning so at least its filling, then afterschools let dc munch on their lunch later on. One of mine is partial to bolo and pasta in a wee kids thermos tub.

Dinner - i have curry or bolo etc in slow cooker so it can just be wacked straight into a bowl for dc to eat. Or home made dinner frozen or plated the day before and just micowaved.

Also ask if she can take a backpack - my dc take one due to the clothes and extra things they needs. School allowed it even with covid and rules as its a minor adjustment.

Its also about building your dd so she has the confidence to advocate for herself to be able to ask. Perhaps there's such a thing as a social story about dd condition that could be explained to the class.

Honestly my friends going through the same thing socially with her dd and she has no medical conditions.

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 04/05/2021 18:51

@Bumpinthenight

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Cerealtoast2 · 04/05/2021 19:05

Sounds like the school are very supportive. I would be doing all the weight exercises on her hands to improve her ability to hold a bottle the same as everyone elses. Send the same one in with a bit of water (better than no water all day) she will get use to it. Just send packed lunch with whatever she eats at home. Dont over think it, better to eat 2 meals of crackers, cheese ham fruit than not eat any lunch.
Lots of books about resilience based for this age- sounds like an age think with her friends/classmates definitely teach her to stand up for herself more and not care as much. Self confidence.

Sirzy · 04/05/2021 19:20

If she struggles with asking for help then ask school to work with her on that, and you can at home. Ds did lots of role play activities in small groups when that age which focused around when to ask for help and how to ask for help and things.

At home - I know I’m guilty- it’s so easy to just do things out of habit so encouraging her to ask for help with things rather than following the instinct to jump in can help

sunshinesontv · 04/05/2021 19:24

"Or, part of her reasonable adjustments could be wearing her trainers all the time, and that way, no shoe or orthotic changing would be necessary?"

I wonder whether she wouldn't want to look different to everyone else though.

LIZS · 04/05/2021 19:32

Does she have an ehcp or any targets(sorry, can't remember formal name but they should be reviewed with Senco)? Could asking for-assistance, for example, be on there? Does she get upset by the comments and do you hear about them from her or staff?

TheLonelyCup · 04/05/2021 20:03

@LIZS

Does she have an ehcp or any targets(sorry, can't remember formal name but they should be reviewed with Senco)? Could asking for-assistance, for example, be on there? Does she get upset by the comments and do you hear about them from her or staff?
She will tell me if I specifically ask why she’s refusing to do something like with lunch but won’t think to mention it, I do however get messages from some parents asking if DDs ok because their child has said another has made a comment. DD wi confirm them if asked.

She does mention them about her bottle though.

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LIZS · 04/05/2021 20:10

I think it is really important for her self esteem that she understands and can explain the differences when others ask. Much of it will be curiosity rather than malice at this age, unless parents get involved HmmAngry

Allgirlskidsanddogs · 04/05/2021 20:16

It sounds as if school are supportive and know her well, good reasons to stay.

Food, send a packed lunch every day, you could try other things, pasta salad, hot lunches in flasks. Fruit, send it cut up and mixed up, and practice her saying, “it’s not for babies it’s a fruit salad!”

I’d approach school about the peer group issues, thank them for their support working with the class on perceptions but then lead on to asking whether or not they will be mixing the classes for September- if they are receptive you could ask them to consider her additional needs and how you think she would benefit from a different mix of children.

Lots of things to consider and try before swapping schools - this way you still have options if none of these things help. Please don’t underestimate the value of her being understood by supportive staff, please give them the opportunity to help her.

BCBG · 04/05/2021 21:55

@TheLonelyCup I can't advise you on specifics but you could be describing my hyper mobile, dyspraxic six year old who had trouble with making appropriate social relationships. - turned out at 16 she had autism and severe ADHD. She's now at uni reading Law God bless her but it's been a rough ride and it's would have been much easier if we had pursued investigation earlier. So it seems to me that much more is going on than a simple need to get fruit cut up or a drinking bottle and other children teasing her about it. If she needs support, the sooner you manage to get it the better. So maybe before changing schools I would discuss with the school getting her referred for a paediatric dyspraxia assessment and also potentially (although it's a bit early) an Ed Lay h assessment. In particular she may be lagging behind not because of ability but because of undiagnosed SLD - DD has turned out to be exceptionally academic but her early school years showed none of that.

BCBG · 04/05/2021 21:56

Sorry for typos - that should say Ed Psych

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