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Considering changing DDs school talk me down?

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TheLonelyCup · 04/05/2021 16:43

DD is 6, year 2, I’d be looking to move her ready for year 3 so September.

But I think I might be UR. This is a mainstream state primary.

In terms of academically, I’m happy. She’s behind in all areas but school have put things in place and she’s making slow and steady progress, she’s suspected to have dyslexia and/or dyspraxia. She has joint hypermobility syndrome and this is particularly bad in her feet and hips, but is also in her wrists, jaw, eyes and fingers. She also has some mild hearing loss on one side – she was treated with grommets which solved most of her hearing problems but not all. The JHS and hearing issues causes her speech to be slightly delayed, so she sounds like a 3 or 4 year old rather than a nearly 7 year old which may also be adding to her issues.

She is generally happy at school, but there seems to be more and more issues socially. I don’t know whether it’s just a covid thing or to do with the hearing loss that she’s missing the intent from her friends but I will list the issues here.

Will add here, DD knows her own mind and can be very stubborn, the issues are not entirely all the schools/classes fault, I know DD is no angel.

  1. She struggles to lift most bottles and cups as once they have water in them they’re too heavy, so she either drops them and they smash or she can’t lift them. She also has a habit of chewing the tops if the sports lid is too soft. So I bought her the cup pictured (school insist that bottles are clear so you can see the liquid inside, it can’t have a straw and the child must be able to fill it themselves which rules out most bottles for DD). She’s now refusing to take the bottle to school because some of her classmates say it’s a babies bottle. I let this one slide and just gave her a big drink before school and when she gets home, but it is annoying especially on days when she’s at ASC.
  1. She refuses to eat her school dinner. A lot of the other children are on packed lunches. She has packed lunches 2 days a week when I’m not at work, the other days she’s at ASC so has the hot lunch at school but she refuses to eat it. Teacher has discussed this with me and they are working on it with the class as a whole but individually they’re a bit stumped.
  1. On the above she will often not eat her packed lunch anyway as I try and make it healthy a typical lunch will be a slice of ham, some cubed cheese (she doesn’t like bread), cucumber sticks, sliced strawberries or sliced apple and a chocolate bar. She’ll often eat just the chocolate bar. According to her her friends lunches are just chocolate and sweets (I don’t actually believe this, I think she’s chatting away which she doesn’t get the chance to do when on hot dinners as she sits in a different place to them) teacher tries to encourage her to eat her lunch but she often refuses
  1. She won’t eat fruit unless it’s cut up, so for morning playtime I send in a box with her fruit cut up, but now she refuses to eat it because her classmates say only babies eat cut up fruit. Again teacher is working on this with the class.
  1. She will often say a particular child won’t play with her because her (the other child) mum says she’s not allowed to play with DD. I’m fine with this and tell DD to find someone else to play with but it seems to bother her a lot and she gets upset. It also seems the other children she wants to play with play with this girl but DD isn’t included. This has been mentioned by the teacher but I’ve told the teacher not to force the issue as I don’t know exactly why this girl can’t play with DD (it could be that DD has said something mean or upset her and that’s why, which I understand like I said DD is not an angel or perfect)

She’s in the same class as she started in in Reception (2 form entry) as they usually mix the classes at the end of year 1 then again end of year 2 or 3, then again end of 4 but due to covid they’ve kept them the same, they don’t know if they’ll be mixing the classes or keeping them the same for year 3 which also adds to my worry over it as if she’s got another year with these people. Until March of year 1 she spent some time with the other class as they have the same PE and Music lessons plus spent playtimes and lunchtimes together so she had a few friends in that class, now however they don’t spend anytime with them apart from having the same playtimes, but they’re kept apart and play on different playgrounds so no chance to mix, she doesn’t remember the names of anyone in the other class anymore, so I don’t know whether a move to the other class if they don’t mix them might be a good move? Although that causes issues for the class she’s in as it takes numbers under 20 in her class (25 currently in other class).

Teacher says DD is fine in class, behind but there’s no issues with her behaviour bar the usual talking when the teacher is. She’s a late july born. We don’t think it’s bullying and it could be DD taking the comments wrong but I am stuck on how to help her.

I also know we could get the same problems in a new school/class. There are spaces at the 2 other nearest schools to us, but they are a further walk away which is something to consider given DDs diagnosises.

So AIBU and WWYD? Is there anything more school could be doing?

For added context I’m a single parent. Left ExH when DD was a toddler due to his violence and control, he sees DD EOW for 1 night for court ordered contact. He doesn’t mind where she goes to school as long as he knows where she is. DD is an only child, has no cousins and is unlikely to have them.

Considering changing DDs school talk me down?
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NCNCNCNCNCNCNCNCNC · 04/05/2021 22:49

Sorry to pick up on one tiny bit of post but could you cover the water bottle with a plastic coloured film so there is no design on it?! And/or a sticker with her name or something that's cool for her age. Might make it more palatable?

Sounds like you're doing your very best, bless you!

Dixiechickonhols · 04/05/2021 23:09

I wouldn’t assume brownies don’t want her if she wants to go apply for a place. It’s not automatic they move up some don’t want to or join beavers etc. My daughter only has one hand and was fine she’s in Rangers now.

Does she have an OT? DD’s would go into school maybe once every year or 2 and advise and provide none slip matting etc.
School sound supportive. I’d persevere.

Disabrie22 · 04/05/2021 23:43

Hi OP, you sound like a very proactive parent to me who is doing the best to help your daughter but also allow her to deal with different aspects of school.
Don’t worry too much about her not eating her school dinner - trust me a lot of children don’t.
Don’t worry too much about friendships - she’s young for her year and she’s got additional needs in the pot - sometimes older girls can run rings round the little ones - leaving them upset and confused. Sometimes the little ones just aren’t quick enough to understand what’s going on in a group so can become frustrated and tearful. Support staff should be helping her with this - and age will help too.
My advice would be perhaps not to change schools but to get some dyslexia support via a tutor at home.

Disabrie22 · 04/05/2021 23:43

Also ask the teacher to tell them to stop calling her a baby, babyish - it’s mean

Sapphire544 · 05/05/2021 01:23

If she’s been taken off the Rainbow list and database then she probably won’t be “invited” to join Brownies as the leader won’t have pushed her record through to the next level up for them to contact you. Alternatively Brownies might not be taking any new ones just yet - groups are only starting to go back face to face, some are still online.

Find out what is going on, either by contacting the Rainbow leader, reapplying for a place, or contacting your regional Girlguiding office. There are many brilliant Brownie units out there where your DD would thrive.

WhatAmIWorth · 05/05/2021 06:37

Communication with the school is really key and as the school are willing to talk and listen to you (and believe me, some will not) I would not be moving her.

Re. The fruit. Can you give her some which is naturally small; blue berries etc. I wouldn't send raspberries, in my experience they don't travel well in a school bag! Cucumber chunks, mini cucumbers, snack peppers, snack carrots, cherry tomatoes, dried mango, dried apple, banana chips etc. I think it's a bit strange because my DC complain if I don't chop their fruit and they are much older!

Water bottles, camelbak do a screw top one with a wide spout. If she can manage the bottle top, then you don't need to unscrew the lid to refill it, can refill through the spout.

Definitely ask the teacher what she's doing to stamp out the name calling etc. Maybe consider an explanation to the class, either though the teacher, you or your DD.

lollipoprainbow · 05/05/2021 06:44

There will be lonely oddball kids only too glad to be asked for tea.

Lovely Hmm

BadgerWatch · 05/05/2021 08:14

I don't think they normally go to Brownies until the term after they're 7. So she should still be a Rainbow at the moment. There must be loads that didn't do the online stuff too.

Maray1967 · 05/05/2021 08:46

Second the previous suggestion of batch cooking eg pasta sauce, casserole portions, and then it is a quick but nutritious meal. I’d do packed lunch every day and easy but good meal at 5.45 - in fact, that is exactly what I did when mine were her age. I appreciate your DD needs an earlier bedtime but you can still manage the meals this way. Do the meals that take a bit longer to cook on Saturday and Sunday and in holidays when you are off. Our Afterschool club was good at reminding kids to finish off packed lunches.
Some kids are cruel - mine had the weird comment, as he is a bit nerdy - this from a girl whose behaviour was problematic. But at primary there should be a crackdown on the ‘you’re a baby’ type comments.

TheLonelyCup · 05/05/2021 09:44

I've set up a zoom meeting with the teacher and SENCO for Monday next week.

Decided to focus on the eating and the comments about being babyish, if they want to push the friendship thing then they can but I'm not too bothered. Will try and discuss classes for next year see if they know.

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GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 05/05/2021 10:03

When my DD moved from Brownies to Guides I to reapply on the Guiding website so you may need to do the same for Brownies.

From the what you’ve said school seem fairly helpful. Could DD move to the over class for Y3 where limit of 30 no longer applies?

ThatchersCold · 05/05/2021 10:51

My friend’s mum, who is a mother of many, worked in education her whole life and is the most frighteningly intelligent person I know gave me the following advice:

Unless there’s a really bloody good reason, whichever school you start your child at, keep them there, especially if they’re a bit different. 4 and 5 year olds don’t judge in the same way that older kids do, and will just accept that that’s the way they are, and never think anything of it as they get older. But if you change school when they are past this age, it will be much harder for them to fit in.

I have 2 DC who both have ASD. My eldest ended up going to 4 primary schools, because we moved around a lot. My youngest has almost finished year 6 at the same primary school she started reception in. The difference in their happiness/friendships/feeling of security is amazing. My friend’s mum was 💯 correct I think. Don’t move her is my advice.

Phineyj · 05/05/2021 11:05

Flowers OP - just wanted to say that we have similar difficulties and this thread is so useful - thanks for starting it.

I think swimming would be a good out of school thing. My hypermobile DD loves it and it's a safe form of exercise.

I hate kids calling other kids babies! We all need a little help sometimes.

3Britnee · 05/05/2021 11:16

Get a slow cooker and speak to the teacher about all this only babies have...' That's where it seems the issues are coming from. That and the mean girl/mum.

TheLonelyCup · 05/05/2021 11:55

@Phineyj

Flowers OP - just wanted to say that we have similar difficulties and this thread is so useful - thanks for starting it.

I think swimming would be a good out of school thing. My hypermobile DD loves it and it's a safe form of exercise.

I hate kids calling other kids babies! We all need a little help sometimes.

We do swimming, she follows a programme but is still in the first stage because her JHS makes her slower than others. Which her friends also pick up on, as they're on Stage 3 or 4. Swimming teacher has never said anything but she is one of the oldest in her group there (think the next in age isn't even at school yet as they start the classes from age 3).

@GhoulWithADragonTattoo There's 2 classes per year. In her year there's 45 across the 2 classes, 25 in the other class and 20 in hers so either way she can move now if they're not mixing the classes. I'm hoping they do mix them to even the numbers up at bit.

@ThatchersCold that's great advice thank you, and I can see your point about not changing if not necessary.

@3Britnee I have a slow cooker don't use it much, going to have a look at recipes hadn't thought to use that on ASC nights thank you.

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Serin · 05/05/2021 17:46

I would ask her GP for a referral to OT.
They can help with such a lot, from confidence building to sensory issues to practical things.
They will also liaise with the school and advocate for your DDs needs.
I have no issue with changing schools (we did it to escape bullying) but in your case school do seem to be trying and id be wary of making things worse for her if the new school is unhelpful or has mean children.
Its hard OP, I feel for you and for her.

TheLonelyCup · 05/05/2021 21:40

We were under OT last year before the pandemic kicked off properly and they were utterly useless, said they can't help with her conditions and referred us back to physio and the paediatrician we haven't seen since April 2019 (thats a whole other thread) so I'm reluctant to go back to OT.

Her physio is brilliant though so I will email him and as he may be able to help with the water bottles.

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TheLonelyCup · 05/05/2021 22:04

To add to the question about lunchboxes, she doesn't like any kind of bread or bread product, I had to change my work days because theres 1 day a week where the options at school are pepperoni pizza or bean enchildas cold option is rolls, she won't eat them so can't do wraps, bagels or similar for school either. She doesn't eat potatoes so can't do jacket potatoes which is the option at ASC. She does like other types of potatoes though (chips, waffles, boiled, roasties/crispy)

She does like pasta though, so I could do pasta salad or similar for school that's a good idea.

She refused her hot lunch again today and it was roast dinner day which is one of her favourites. ASC didn't manage to get her to eat her fruit from snacktime either. She's with 2 of her classmates at ASC and can't get away from them due to the way the bubble rules work so the ASC manager thinks it's that causing issues. I have other options for childcare as the CM that picks up from our school walks passed my house to get to one of the other schools and takes the kids from our school with her to then walk half a mile the other direction from the other school to her house which DD just couldn't cope with. And school aren't allowing the two other external ASCs to do pickups due to covid because they won't stick to their rules on bubbles (they're not allowing mixing of classes, and only staff who work in their bubble in the day can get within 2m of the children) so I am really stuck.

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TheLonelyCup · 05/05/2021 22:05

*I don't have other options

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Becles · 05/05/2021 22:12

I'm a Brownie leader and if your daughter hasn't been turning up to Rainbows (have you been paying subs, especially in the January/February) it's likely tat they assumed she's lost interest and moved her off their list.

If you want her to do Brownies, email the Rainbow leader and ask for details of local Brownie units. Check which day/time works for you and ask Rainbows if she can be put on the waiting list of the Brownie unit or if you need to add her as a new enquiry.

TheLonelyCup · 05/05/2021 22:13

@Becles

I'm a Brownie leader and if your daughter hasn't been turning up to Rainbows (have you been paying subs, especially in the January/February) it's likely tat they assumed she's lost interest and moved her off their list.

If you want her to do Brownies, email the Rainbow leader and ask for details of local Brownie units. Check which day/time works for you and ask Rainbows if she can be put on the waiting list of the Brownie unit or if you need to add her as a new enquiry.

I think I'm going to find something else for her, she hadn't been at Rainbows long before they moved online and I think that's why she struggled with online she hadn't made the connection plus the area we live in means lots of her school friends will be there and I want her to break away from that.
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Becles · 05/05/2021 22:19

Just realised she's 6. Brownies starts at 7. Here we take them the term after they turn 7. So a 7 year old in October joins Brownies in January.

You need to see whether rainbows are meeting face to face and have space for her. Bear in mind that's the most difficult section to get into because early start times, and age of girls along with preferred ratios impact volunteer numbers and so mean very limited spaces.

clareykb · 05/05/2021 22:22

Ah op she just sounds a bit like my daughter she was a premmie, has jhs and a speech delay. We don't have exactly the same issues but she pushed a girl who called her babyish the other day because of her speech..teacher was very good and fair about it but still had to tell dd not to push etc. Don't have any real advice but feel your pain and send a virtual hug.

fiheka · 05/05/2021 22:24

I know you haven't talked about this, but for a child like your daughter, I would make sure that out of school uniform she had very trendy clothes and trendy underclothes for when she changes for PE. It is not something I normally bother about, but for a child already struggling, these things can make a real difference.

TheLonelyCup · 05/05/2021 22:26

@fiheka

I know you haven't talked about this, but for a child like your daughter, I would make sure that out of school uniform she had very trendy clothes and trendy underclothes for when she changes for PE. It is not something I normally bother about, but for a child already struggling, these things can make a real difference.
They only change shoes for PE at the moment, not their uniform, they do PE in uniform and trainers.
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