To think most plus size models are not really fat

[Stoppissingonmyheather]

I truly think people of all shapes and sizes can be beautiful and it's what on the inside that counts bla bla bla plus it is great that whilst online shopping I an now seeing a mix of body types and curvy big bums and boobs instead of stick thin anorexic looking 14 year olds BUT they all seem to have perfectly in proportion gorgeous curves yes large thighs etc but their stomachs are flat or ever so slightly rounded no rolls of stomach fat to be seen in their bikini pics I know bElly fat is unhealthy and not to be promoted but if we are being truly representative and inclusive of all women if they are modelling plus size surely we should have stomach fat on show too also the images I see on sites like PLT are mostly women with boobs and hips and hardly any flat chested straight hipped women so just creating more unrealistic images to try and live up to. I want to see real plus size with rolls and real small size with barely any curves too otherwise it's still not real life is it or is it?

@WorraLiberty

I know what you mean OP. They tend to be overweight but never flabby.

Then again, most models don't look like your average everyday person so I guess that's why.

Exactly. A model is not supposed to look average.

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Didn't some countries legislate against medically underweight models?

Yes, many. I thought the UK had done as well.

@TrendingHistory

Really *@BlackDaffodil*? Did you read the post I was quoting from? Someone claimed that size 16 wasn’t overweight because they were size 16 and only had 19% body fat, yet they’re also 5’8” which is unusually tall for a woman. It’s hardly a fair comparison is it? The average height for a woman in the UK is 5’3”. If you’re 5’3” and a size 16 then you’re almost certainly overweight.

Yes... loads of woman are 5ft 8

Most plus size ranges start at about a 16-18

You’re absolutely deluded if you think that online and catalogue photos aren’t pinned into shape and tucked at the back where you can’t see it.

@SchrodingersImmigrant France did I believe.

@BlackDaffodil stop being deliberately obtuse.

The purpose of using models to model clothes on plus size clothes websites is (supposedly) to show the plus size buyers what the clothes will look like on a fat woman.

They don't.

The so called "plus size" models they use are the smallest size they offer, a size 16, and they are about 5ft 10 so not even fat.

It must be very annoying for women who are 5ft 2 and a size 28 as it give zero idea of what the garment will look like on them!

[quote JackieTheFart]@BlackDaffodil stop being deliberately obtuse.[/quote]

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The other thing is plus size models never seem to carry weight around their face. I'm a size 12-14 (OK, closer to 14 these days) and I have a proper moon face and double chin, but even when I was a 10 I had quite a chubby face. There are models who are like a size 20 but still have a really defined jaw and beautiful bone structure, it's not fair!

stick thin anorexic looking?

Not difficult to see what's eating away at you, is it, OP?

@WorraLiberty

An American size 12 is a UK size 14 isn't it?

Size 16.

And they are always photoshopped, usually wearing clothes at least two sizes larger than they are and sometimes, if you look carefully on sites, you'll find the same woman also modelling the size 8s where they haven't photoshopped the 'wider' waist in or used baggy clothes to hide the fact that somebody actually of that size would have legs filling them instead of a nice, smooth curve. Not to mention that if you scale them up, many seem to be about 7 foot tall with ankles like sparrows and collarbones sharp enough to cut yourself on - as the pictures have been stretched.

Basically, there is no point looking at a plus size model photo, as it often bears little relation to the model in real life, never mind the clothes.

@spittycup

a mix of body types and curvy big bums and boobs instead of stick thin anorexic looking 14 year olds

Excuse you? Why are you so nasty? Not a sign of great self confidence, love.

Has anybody looked at the model's hands here?

Like I said, Photoshop - just to look larger.

Can we please stop shaming smaller dress sizes? Using the term anorexia in a derogatory way and treating anything below a size 10 as "stick thin". It's just not nice.

They're heavier than standard models, but they're generally wearing heavy duty control underwear plus padding at the bust/hips/rear in order to create the illusion of an idealised hourglass figure just bigger.

@Turkishangora

Can we please stop shaming smaller dress sizes? Using the term anorexia in a derogatory way and treating anything below a size 10 as "stick thin". It's just not nice.

Agreed

@Letsgetreadytocrumble

The other thing is plus size models never seem to carry weight around their face. I'm a size 12-14 (OK, closer to 14 these days) and I have a proper moon face and double chin, but even when I was a 10 I had quite a chubby face. There are models who are like a size 20 but still have a really defined jaw and beautiful bone structure, it's not fair!

Chin lipo. Kid you not. Found out once somewhere. Immediately stopped feeling dab about my 7 chins of hell😁

Massaging works btw. Daily face, chin and neck massage seems to be actually making tiny bit of difference

We need to reward companies that use real women with our cash ignore those that use inappropriate models

@nitsandwormsdodger

We need to reward companies that use real women with our cash ignore those that use inappropriate models

All women are real women.

Literally every woman model is real woman.

Unless I miss cyborg thing going on and now I am super excited😁

In the fashion industry, clothes are not made to fit models - they're just made and thrown on whichever model is available. Now, as women get bigger, there's more diversity in their shape - some women carry weight on their thighs, some on their bum, some on their tummy, etc. So, to make a dress (for example) that would fit someone even a size 12 (which isn't big) would be almost impossible because size 12 women vary so much. Women who are much smaller (size 4-6) tend not to have so much difference in shape - so a dress that fits one of them is likely to fit all of them. This saves the fashion industry vital time and money. So, models were hired on their frame being identical to every other model - because it saved time and money. As models because celebrities and started being more than just a mannequin for clothes, there became a question around the lack of diversity. This introduced the concept of a "plus size model". A plus size model is NOT a plus size person - they're supposed to represent the average person or a person of an average weight. However, because of the aforementioned time/money incentive of keeping people the same size, they also tend to be the same shape - retailers hire plus size models who are the same shape as all the other plus size models so they don't need to resize the clothes for them. It's about time and money. Not saying I agree with it, but that's the reason why.

If we’re playing “Plus Size bull shit bingo” we could add a whole host of comments about “ promoting obesity” which is very often stated any time plus size fashion is discussed ( there was this very thread recently). There was a thread last year about “ Would you buy this item?” And it was yoga wear modelled on a plus size model. The insinuation was that you would not want to wear fitness wear if it was represented in such a way. The OP did a big back pedal on that one. I definitely think brands are getting better at representing different sizes... not just plus size but “ mid size” like Weekday who have recently introduced extended sizes in some ranges. The gold star for representation for me though goes to US brand Universal Standard who showed each item in each size ( and they went from small sizes right up to a 32 I think). There’s no need for ghettos of Plus Size clothing ranges.... you shouldn’t have to shop in specialist stores.

I just wish manufacturers would scale up the cup size in strapless/strappy dresses. I am so sick of trying on clothes, sometimes two sizes bigger than usual where only my nipples fit because they have scaled up everything in the dress except the cups.
It's great that they are loose fitting and comfortable, unfortunately h cups don't fit in your aa sized clothing.

I also have the same problem with beachwear.

@littledrummergirl

I just wish manufacturers would scale up the cup size in strapless/strappy dresses. I am so sick of trying on clothes, sometimes two sizes bigger than usual where only my nipples fit because they have scaled up everything in the dress except the cups. It's great that they are loose fitting and comfortable, unfortunately h cups don't fit in your aa sized clothing. I also have the same problem with beachwear.

Oh lord YES to this 😱

@nosyupnorth

They're heavier than standard models, but they're generally wearing heavy duty control underwear plus padding at the bust/hips/rear in order to create the illusion of an idealised hourglass figure just bigger.

I feel like this bears repeating! I’ve read a few articles on the plus size modelling industry and this was mentioned a few times. In addition to the usual photoshop etc, the models may or may not actually be plus sized, just perhaps average (so not typical model size) but wearing padded shorts, hence the unrealistic curves so many seem to have.

It stuck in my mind because some spoke of the shorts they’d have to wear and how they’re shared/ sometimes sweaty from the last person using them

Interesting for the record when I say stick thin anorexic 14 year olds i am not talking in general about slim models I am talking about ACTUAL anorexic 14 year old models who were told to lose weight when there was no need who starred in 80s/90s "heroin chic" campaigns and who have spoken out against the practice sought help for industry caused eating disorders or had breakdowns and left the industry and in some cases lost their lives to it. I am saying it is better to see a broader range of body types instead of pushing this unrealistic image on young girls but I am also saying now it has gone the other way with big boobs and bums modelling young fashion from places like plt who yes I agree are actually pretty inclusive with the models and show people with disabilities too BUT while being good on the one hand they are also leaving out the thinner flat chested non curvy hipped women therefore pushing another unrealistic image (generally) of big curves and boobs with flat stomachs which is just as bad. I have a daughter I am not plus size if that's relevant