To think that a Rape Crisis centre should not have a transwoman CEO?

[ArabellaScott]

Mridhul Wadhwa has just been appointed CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis. The job was advertised as for women only. Mridhul is a transwoman (born male) without a Gender Recognition Certificate.

AIBU to think that women survivors of rape and sexual violence should be able to have a female only space?

theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/05/new-boss-for-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre/

YABVU, for a start it isn't just women that get raped you know? Men and shock horror transgender people can also be raped. Secondly just because she is the CEO doesn't mean she will be hands on with the people who use their services.

Diwoo
Was this job specifically advertised as such? Are you allowed to do that?

Yes. In fact, this is is covered in the legislative guidance to the exceptions.

A very sick world we live in.

If it is, IMO that disqualifies them more than anything else. No one is “entitled” to that, and to use that word in this context is gross.

Mridul Wadhwa and friends were enraged when the SNP voted to amend the text of the Forensic Services Bill so women could ask for a medical examiner after rape of her own sex rather than "gender" (apparently tabled at committee stage after consulting rape survivors). MW left the SNP in high dudgeon, and joined the Greens who had voted against the amendment, if I remember rightly.

@CommunistLegoBloc

Imagine, just imagine, ringing a Rape Crisis line, and a man's voice answering.

No it simply should not happen.

And if you are legally male and a job is for women, how do you get that job.

On the "I'm getting married to a celeb but my friends hate him" thread people said if you use the word woke you are racist. Well I am calling this charity woke. Because it is.

How unsurprising it is that biological male wants trump those of biological females.

@Letsgetreadytocrumble

None of these 'you're so transphobic' posters seem to actually be addressing any of the points being made in this thread?

Quite.

It's either "You're so mean!"

Or

"What about the menu?!"

So to be really clear:

1. I agree that men should have access to male-only rape crisis centres. If those centres only want to employ men, that's fine.

2. Some services aimed at ethnic minority women such as Southall Black Sisters use the exemptions under the Equality Act 2010 to employ women from an Ethnic minority background. I support this too.

3)If a rape crisis centre aimed at serving trans people used the EA expemptions to only employ staff with a GRC, I would support that.

4. But if I believe women's only rape crisis services should be single sex and staffed in accordance with the EA exemptions for sex (no males regardless of gender id) - then I am wrong and mean?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

If it is, IMO that disqualifies them more than anything else. No one is “entitled” to that, and to use that word in this context is gross.

Mridul Wadhwa and friends were enraged when the SNP voted to amend the text of the Forensic Services Bill so women could ask for a medical examiner after rape of her own sex rather than "gender" (apparently tabled at committee stage after consulting rape survivors). MW left the SNP in high dudgeon, and joined the Greens who had voted against the amendment, if I remember rightly.

MW doesn't want women to be able to have boundaries.

Karen?

A misogynistic slur used to silence and belittle middle-aged women.

[quote BetterKateThanNever]@Soontobe60 Go do some more research, Karen x[/quote]
What's with the use of 'Karen' here?

Go do some more research, Karen x

That's the best you have, isn't it? Plus uninformed knee jerk virtue signalling.

[quote BetterKateThanNever]@Soontobe60 Go do some more research, Karen x[/quote]
'Karen' as an insult is a thinly veiled way of shutting older women up.

Op, yanbu.

As the position was advertised as women only would be considered, this is clear that other males would not be able to apply and this male should not have been chosen.

It is clear that in this era of funding cuts, this person is a political asset when you look at the connections with the current government. (Of course, that could all
change next week.)

That this person is a fierce opponent to female single sex spaces is an additional issue. They have been vocal against women having choices about the sex of their counselors and carers.

In the situation where the centre is mixed sex or specifically for trans people, there would be no issue and I am sure the hotel management background of this applicant could help here and the years of counseling.

It is not transphobic to state that the application of the protected sex characteristic advertised has not been upheld when it was advertised. And that if it wasn’t applicable, it should have been open to all.

No one is denying sex exists anymore supposedly. Maybe those ‘allies’ stating people are hateful should get updated.

I’m absolutely horrified that this has happened. Wrong on so many levels.

[quote BetterKateThanNever]@Soontobe60 Go do some more research, Karen x[/quote]
Not this again, I'd hope that MNers had finally got the message that using Karen as a slur was ageist and sexist and therefore very offensive.

If you don't like what a poster says, criticise their post. Calling them an ageist and sexist insult just makes you look stupid.

Good to see some diversity that will benefit the women she's trying to help. Finally we get to see a real feminist who really cares about all women's rights and strives to support all women.

She doesn't support all women, though, if she doesn't understand that many of those who have been traumatised by rape want a biological woman to support them. Forcing them to accept a transwomen to validate some point does nothing to 'help' them, and I don't believe she is trying to help all women - she is trying to help transwomen, by forcing women to accept them in all situations.

Men and shock horror transgender people can also be raped.

they can, and nobody would deny that they should be allowed to set up services to support them. Why do they have to be given access to women's services?

More importantly, why should a trans woman ignore the fact that a job posting specifically asked for biological women to apply - the fact that they thought that this was so unimportant that they could ignore it, brings huge questions about their suitability for the role. If they had challenged the requirement, that might have been different - a debate could have been had - but this is just riding roughshod over women and saying that they don't matter.

Finally we get to see a real feminist who really cares about all women's rights and strives to support all women.

Hilarious about most MTF trans activists, let alone the one who we are talking about.

Finally we get to see a real feminist who really cares about all women's rights and strives to support all women

Hmm not sure that a biological male who thinks it's fine to take a highly sensitive job like this can be described as a feminist, but the charity is mostly at fault.

Finally we get to see a real feminist - finally, a male can show women how we really ought to be doing it!

@toffeebutterpopcorn

And they chose to ignore this and apply anyway. Those who interviews and made the job offer also chose to ignore this. I suppose further appointments will also follow this trend - how could they otherwise?

I haven't read the whole thread yet, lots more pages appeared after I posted so it may have already been answered, but I don't understand, if they're allowed to advertise as only women applicants yet they've chosen to ignore this, are there legal implications? It seems very odd! I must admit I have no experience of rape crisis centres so it seems I have some learning to do

oh, cross posted with ... well, everyone.

How was this person offered the job when they clearly didn't meet the job description? Are there other centres in Edinburgh where women can go? If so I hope women vote with their feet and find alternatives that centre women, to help them

Those posters who are saying that its' fine, no problem, you are basically saying that a man could just apply because this is what this person is. This person may wear a dress and makeup however they are trans woman ie. a biological male.

Those posters saying that this should be in FWR - this forum is for women, women can post on here where they like.

It's not even surprising anymore.

@Potteringshed

YABU to post here and not FWR which is really the proper place for yet another trans debate.

WOMEN. GET BACK IN YOUR BOX.

I mean they're allowed to advertise it as such and did, but then employed someone who didn't fulfil this, seems like they might have breached some legalities