Just seen Billie Eilish report on news. What a load of bollocks...

[ssd]

Honestly it must he a total head nip being young these days. 19 yr olds telling us not to body shame then appearing in vogue in a corset. But said 19 yr old being an expert in telling us how to feel, and of course that stupid trendy word 'empowerment ' used as much as possible. Maybe it was the same in my day, but then social media wasnt about to give eedgits a platform to be an expert on everything. Pop stars always got too much attention, but now with sm it must be increased tenfold.
Thank fuck I'm old and middle aged.

@ForwardRanger

Your post is deeply misogynistic and ageist and just really awful. BE is an extraordinarily talented young woman and deserves to be celebrated. What is this obsession with tearing apart amazing talent? It is sick.

This. ^ Although I am not sure of the age of @ssd as her OP says she is middle aged AND old! So anything between 40 and 120 then.

I miss the days of being a teenager and having all the answers

Yes, I was a right cocky gobshite (and sometimes still am)...the trouble is now the cockygobshiteknowalltheanswersconsiderablyworkerthanthou teenagers now, have far more power via social media to influence and cancel than I ever did, moping around the seafront in my overcoat, with a copy of Albert Camus in my pocket humming Smiths songs to myself and bemoaning life in general, like the pretentious dick that I was.

@noblegiraffe

Owl I completely disagree. People can be groomed by society into thinking and doing certain things and believing that it's their idea.

If you compare 'patriarchy'' and 'female empowerment' and the results look exactly the same, then you have to think critically about what is really going on.

I can't remember which film it was that says something like 'women lost when we managed to persuade them that pole dancing was good exercise'.

Spot on.

Funny how empowerment seems so detached from having any power. Loathe the word.

Power is empowering not clothes or a boob job.

Nothing like an adult women taking down a young woman who keeps to "wear what you want as long as you feel good in it" message by wearing different styles.

Who needs men, eh.

actually theres a major push on "consent" in teens relationships nowadays and kids are much more clued up on avoiding paedos etc than when I was younger and older men thatdate teenagers are generally seen to be problematic and revolting

@Moondust001

My first thought was "Who?" - still don't know the answer to that, or care to find out.

My second was "Who cares about their opinion on anything? "

'WHO? Never heard of her...'

There's ALWAYS one.

Unless you have been living in a cave for the past 5 years, there's no way you haven't heard of Billie Eilish.

Women will always be browbeaten to look a certain way whilst role models like her are about. Look at the ' do you shave' thread.
I shave because I was conditioned at a young age that hairy legs or arm pits were 'bad' and I remember Julia Roberts being heavily criticized for having a hairy underarm once too years ago now.
I bet a man was behind her agreeing to these pictures being done.
If someone like Billie is going to say ' be natural ' then she should stick with it , not chop and change like this for publicity reasons or whatever then try to justify it.
They always do this. At least Madonna started out scantily dressed , but she was always in charge of her own image and styles.
Little mix were the same too , now it's all leotards and low cut tops and ' sex sells'.

@Blondiney

I miss the days of being a teenager and having all the answers. Here I am now hurtling towards my 50, realising that I actually know less with each passing year.

Same here. I’ve just read the Vogue interview. I hope she understands what she said because I sure as hell don’t. The entire thing is a complete paradox.

She's been pretty open about the fact that she's not trying to be a role model, she's just wearing what she feels comfortable in at the time. I think it's a good point, the expectations on celebrities to be role models and stand for something in particular are getting out of hand and making their lives very strained and abnormal.

Let's be honest, she probably just got bored of her old style, like a majority of normal human beings do.

@littlepattilou oh stop. How else eill these posters make themselves sound super interesting 😂

She looks about a million times better though

I definitely don't remember my pals or myself at 15 or 16 going out with men in their 30s, jesus your dad would have kicked his head in. Must have been different in other places

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Nothing like an adult women taking down a young woman who keeps to "wear what you want as long as you feel good in it" message by wearing different styles.

Who needs men, eh.

Pure, unadulterated jealousy. That's what it is. Billie is young, rich, talented, gorgeous, and successful .. So it's easy to see WHY the OP is jealous, but no need to make it so obvious by starting a spiteful and demeaning thread.

So what? She doesn’t want creeps taking photos of her on the street, but she’s okay with a photo shoot that she’s fully involved in. It’s not a hard concept to grasp. She didn’t consent to the photos of her on the street so it upset her. She likes these photos of her in vogue, she’s allowed to celebrate her body in whatever way she see fit. When she wants to be covered she will be, when she wants to undress she’s entitled to. People have different opinions on their own body day to day, why should Billie be any different?

Yes!

[quote SchrodingersImmigrant]@littlepattilou oh stop. How else eill these posters make themselves sound super interesting 😂[/quote]

[quote SchrodingersImmigrant]@littlepattilou oh stop. How else eill these posters make themselves sound super interesting 😂[/quote]
Bet the ones saying they have never heard of Billie, have never watched Game of Thrones, Friends, or Line of Duty either. In fact, they probably don't own a TV!

@Branleuse

actually theres a major push on "consent" in teens relationships nowadays and kids are much more clued up on avoiding paedos etc than when I was younger and older men thatdate teenagers are generally seen to be problematic and revolting

Bollocks. The internet means that it's easier than ever for older men to groom and manipulate young girls into doing what they want.

I hate the idea that young girls who are 'clued up about paedos' will easily brush them off with a 'fuck off grandad' while the ones who get abused (and they still are, in large numbers) weren't bolshy or clued-up enough.

I don’t really care what Billie wears, and I don’t think she has to be a role model.
However, the baggy clothes were refreshing, and sort of her ‘thing’, and I think she made the whole thing quite political. As people have pointed out though, they were probably as much about deflecting creepy men as anything.

HazeyJaneII My first thought were the lyrics to Generation Sex too.

Young woman takes her clothes off

Move along, nothing to see here

Why don’t you give your daughters some better role models if you don’t like the ones they’ve currently got?

Why is it some random celebrity’s problem that young girls are getting so messed up mentally?

Why don’t their parents teach them to focus on, and admire, women who do something worthwhile with their lives. Teach them that social media is basically fantasy and make believe. Teach them independence, self worth and resilience. The ultimate responsibility for a child’s ability to deal with life is the parents, not some randoms on social media.

It is utterly ridiculous seeing kids scream, cry and faint because they’ve seen a celebrity. I’ve never understood this. Why do these parents allow their kids to become so obsessive about people?

She looks great. Isn't the point that she can wear whatever she bloody well likes and nobody can tell her otherwise? If she wants to wear a baggy tent - she can and will, if she wants to wear a corset - she will. That's her prerogative. She's never positioned herself as a role model, and she shouldn't have to. She's a young woman, experimenting and finding out who she is - just as we all have done. The difference is, she has to do it in the public eye.

As an aside, I don't even get what the issue is with the corset - it's not particularly provocative or sexualised. It's just clothes. I think that says more about the pearl clutchers than anything else.

Bet the ones saying they have never heard of Billie, have never watched Game of Thrones, Friends, or Line of Duty either. In fact, they probably don't own a TV! grin

Unlike us cmon plebs.😂
Tbf I couldn't pinpoint her songs, but you would have to honestly live under the rock to not heard of her and even in the dress style sense.

So you want the message to be: body positivity, but only if you don't show your body and continue to wear baggy clothes all the time?! Eh?

Kids have always screamed at celebrities, remember the Beatles? Nothing new really. Its the way celebrities present themselves nowadays, as experts on things most of us don't need told about.

www.vogue.co.uk/news/article/billie-eilish-vogue-interview