Just seen Billie Eilish report on news. What a load of bollocks...

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Honestly it must he a total head nip being young these days. 19 yr olds telling us not to body shame then appearing in vogue in a corset. But said 19 yr old being an expert in telling us how to feel, and of course that stupid trendy word 'empowerment ' used as much as possible. Maybe it was the same in my day, but then social media wasnt about to give eedgits a platform to be an expert on everything. Pop stars always got too much attention, but now with sm it must be increased tenfold.
Thank fuck I'm old and middle aged.

Empowerment. There's an over used word I'm never tired of seeing. I wonder how women have come so far all these years without having the word Empowerment used to describe them in every sentence?

@MouseholeCat

I'm laughing at the sex sells comments. She's one of the biggest artists in the world and she's done it in baggy clothes.

For her, this probably is empowerment. She wants to have some licence in the way her body is seen and judged. Paps have always been after shots of her body, she's probably had enormous pressure from the music industry to be more sexual. The fact that she doesn't play to that doesn't mean she can't enjoy both dressing in baggy clothing and dressing up in Vogue.

Her message isn't wear baggy clothes. It's that the pervy and mysogninstic media who prey on women's bodies needs to fuck off.

You're contradicting yourself, saying it's for empowerment and then saying she's pressured into being more sexual.

I think you're naive if you don't see that a 19yo doesn't see that sex sells.

The wokery on this thread is laughable.

Sometimes I feel like people on here won't be happy until women are all back in boiler suits.

@JaneJeffer

Little Minx was their original name but they had to change it for legal reasons.

It wasn't. They were originally 'Rhythmix ... ' Not 'Little Minx.'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-15499047

From the article...

X Factor group Rhythmix have been renamed Little Mix after a charity with the same name threatened legal action.

The four girls said they had come up with the new title after talking about it with their mentor, N-Dubz singer Tulisa Contostavlos.

They said: "When we came up with the name Rhythmix, we had no idea that there was a charity with the same name.

"We decided to change our name to Little Mix as we do not want to cause any problems for the charity."

We can’t we just let a teenager explore their style?

Because she's not just an ordinary teenager who is just wandering up to her wardrobe thinking "mmm, what shall I wear today?". She's famous with an agent and a PR firm and a stylist who will have discussed and considered this photo shoot. Many options will presumably have been considered with a view to what message she will be sending out to her fans and the public in general. It will have been a commercial decision. We wouldn't even be having this discussion if she was the teenager next door.

I think some people here are forgetting that she does not need to undress to be famous...

Maybe, just maybe she eanted to give it a go. Which one of you wears same clothes they did as 15 year olds?

People change. If fans are sad maybe parents could explain the basic fact of life - prople grow older and change and that's ok🤷🏻

She can't win either way it seems. She's free to wear what she wants for a Vogue fashion shoot. I doubt she'll suddenly turn into Madonna on stage wearing corsets. And if she does and her fans feel betrayed then they are being ridiculous!

She doesn't have to be a role model for God's sake - I hate that. When I was young I didn't look to anyone famous to be a role model because even in those days they only ever showed you one side. The side they wanted you to see. Far healthier to have a 'role model' in the real world to admire.

I'm 52 and I like her. So much focus on what she wears and what she doesn't wear. She's a kid! let her have a bit of fun.
We constantly perpetuate all this shit and it's just one facet of a person. She's a creative and intelligent girl and she doesn't have to adhere to what you think she should because she's not wearing an XXXL neon green tracksuit in this one shoot. She's done lots of other vogue shoots. In this one she's the female stereotype and it was her decision to do that.

@ForwardRanger

I don't think she is at all hypocritical, I find her refreshingly honest and sincere.

Your post is deeply misogynistic and ageist and just really awful. BE is an extraordinarily talented young woman and deserves to be celebrated. What is this obsession with tearing apart amazing talent? It is sick

Yep.

A direct quote from the interview.

“Showing your body and showing your skin – or not – should not take away any respect from you,”

Some posters have missed the point spectacularly.

She's free to wear what she wants for a Vogue fashion shoot

Pretty sure she isn't.

What a sad post.

This is a horrible thread. Billie Eilish is brilliant. This is pure women denigrating other women, with no man in sight

She can wear whatever the hell she wants but I get why OP and others are commenting on it, as she's gone from one extreme to the other, it was bound to attract opinions. I thought the point of her wearing baggy clothes was partly because she does have curves and didn't want the constant comments she would get because of her body shape- I felt so pissed off that she felt she had to do this. Of course if she does like baggy clothes anyway then that is irrelevant- it was nice to see someone wear what they like and also refreshing to not see a young female musician going about in leotards and knickers. Not that it's her responsibility to do that but it was positive to see.

Going on the cover of vogue in underwear isn't just a change of image- it feels now that due to pressure she has gone down the little mix/Britney/Rihanna route- it's always dressed up as 'female empowerment' which just seems a complete load of bullshit to me. She could have changed her image by wearing something completely different to the baggy clothes- something much more fitted if that's what she wanted, that is still actual normal clothes and not underwear. There probably still would have been comments from the likes of the daily fail about her 'flaunting her curves'- and would have been a clever way of making the point that wearing normal clothes, women are subjected to disgusting, intrusive comments about their bodies.

Taking your clothes off and prancing around in your undies isn’t liberating or radical or in the slightest bit interesting. I thought as an artist BE was more interesting and original than that. It’s sad to see her going down the tired old route that so many other young women have gone down to get attention.

Maybe we should just do away with the celebrity stuff.
Everyone gets a number and letter combo as a name, shall never be put together with a face and their singing shall be judged purely on that. Awards will be online where celebrities will be represented by their gender neutral chosen emoji on a screen.
All screen stuff (movies, series etc) shall be animated.

Celebrity which breaks the anonymity code will be sent to an island with no wifi.

I think she’s a young woman finding her way, which is grand. But I am a little disappointed personally because DD loves her, and no I don’t care if me being disappointed is right or wrong, it effects BE in no way what so ever.
I read her interview and it sounded just like a 19 year old airing their views, which she is 🤷🏻‍♀️ I don’t think anyone should expect too much of a 19 year old really.

Why do people keep unquestioningly parroting the word choice? Do we really think choices happen in a vacuum?

The libfem kool aid has had a hell of an effect on critical thinking.

Going on the cover of vogue in underwear isn't just a change of image- it feels now that due to pressure she has gone down the little mix/Britney/Rihanna route- it's always dressed up as 'female empowerment' which just seems a complete load of bullshit to me

Yep. It's not empowerment, just objectivisation. That's simply what she's been told to say by her management.

Its really true,most women are hated on by other women.This thread proves that.

She doesnt owe anyone anything,shes growing as an artist and as a woman.

She should be able to embrace whatever the hell she feels like.
Dont like it,find another "role model".

It must be great to be a young male singer songwriter.

No threads complaining about what they wear.

@TatianaBis

Going on the cover of vogue in underwear isn't just a change of image- it feels now that due to pressure she has gone down the little mix/Britney/Rihanna route- it's always dressed up as 'female empowerment' which just seems a complete load of bullshit to me

Yep. It's not empowerment, just objectivisation. That's simply what she's been told to say by her management.

Exactly. Relabelling objectification as empowerment.

Come on then Billie. Walk down the street in your 'empowering attire.'

Her message isn't wear baggy clothes. It's that the pervy and mysogninstic media who prey on women's bodies needs to fuck off.

By posing half naked in her underwear ?

@InTheMiddle23

Come on then Billie. Walk down the street in your 'empowering attire.'

That's so stupid I can't believe someone who wrote this managed to find mumsnet

I didn't know plastic underwear was cliched.

It sounds very uncomfortable to me and I imagine it is only suitable for diving or incontinence.

@MrsIsobelCrawley

It must be great to be a young male singer songwriter.

No threads complaining about what they wear.

Well when Lewis Capaldi starts dating someone from love island and does interviews shirtless with a 6 pack, I'll start a thread on here. That do you?