Vaccine experiences please!

[Helptonight]

I've had my text, sitting on the fence and need some real experiences. I am early 40's, no health conditions. Not anti vax at all just struggling to decide whether or not to have it. Friends/relatives I have spoken to have experienced side effects (tiredness, fuzzy brain, no energy) since having it even a month or more down the line with 2nd dose being worse (AZ) Some report no reactions at all! I feel like if I am not sure then I shouldn't go ahead? I feel like I want to wait until further down the line before going ahead, is this silly?

I had my first AZ 11 weeks ago. Ten hours later I got the shivers and felt really chilled to the bone. I went to bed feeling pretty grim, had a long lie in next morning, but by the afternoon I was a lot better.

Since then, absolutely back to normal. I've not heard of anyone suffering side effects for more than 24-36 hours.

I lost two friends to Covid. There was absolutely no question in my mind about having the vaccine. I was elated after getting that first dose in my arm. I'm so desperate for things to get back to normal.

HoulYerWheesht

Okayyyy, thanks for that hurling of insults. It really strengthens your argument and highlights your debating skills.

Aside from that I'll bite and respond to some of your points -

We KNOW the vaccine is reducing deaths
No, we know that deaths are dropping. Correlation does not prove causation.
We have been exposed to the virus as a society for over a year now (that we know of), it has generally run rampant and consumed those of which were vulnerable. There is likely to be a level of natural acquired immunity now, plus we're our of winter and there will naturally be a suppression of the virus, as we know its seasonal.

We KNOW the vaccine reduces transmission
By the govs own estimates its believed they can only guarantee 30% reduction.
Even then we're assuming that we can base that on PCR testing which we know is ineffective and has a false positive outcome of upto 90%+. PCR tests were never intended to be a diagnostic tool and the creator of the PCR test himself stated that you can pretty much find anything in the body with them if you spin them at a high enough testing rate (which we've adjusted to solely for c19 and never have before).

we KNOW the vaccine rollout as enabled the return of a somewhat normally functioning society (all sources widely available, Google is your friend)
Actually, there are hundreds of thousands of clinicians worldwide who would disagree with you. Check them out - Google is your friend.

As to whether everybody else will have a booster will very much depend on whether there is a need based on risk
You mean... Like... Do people NEED it or not? So exactly what I'm saying we need to do re the current roll out of the vax?

It’s not a difficult concept to grasp, it really isn’t. You need half a brain cell, be a vigilant member of society and have the ability to read or at least listen.
There's just no need to send this kind of stuff to be honest. But then you'd probably need more than half a brain cell to realise that or to read or listen to anything that isn't told to you by the very people who make billions off it.

@HoulYerWheesht thanks for the link, I will have a read now

Late feb had 1st AZ , slightly sore arm when touched at injection site , no other problems , 2nd AZ next week and will be relieved to have had it , I'm CV but generally well , I have a younger partner with people facing management role we cannot wait until he's vaccinated too

My dad had no side effects (Pfizer)
My mum had no side effects (Pfizer)
My stepmum had no side effects (Pfizer)
2 aunties felt like crap for 12 hours (Oxford)
My friend felt like crap for 24 hours (Oxford)
My cousin had no side effects (Oxford)
Another cousin had a sore arm (Oxford)

I know more people who had no side effects from the jab than did have any.

Me and DH both in our 60's have only had first one so far and no side effects whatsoever. Not even a sore arm which we always have with the flu jab. I didn't even realise mine had been done as I felt nothing.

Two sisters in their 50's, one was shivery, aching, temperature, headache for a day, the other no side effects.

Two brothers in law both in their 50's, no side effects at all. Niece aged 29 no side effects, her husband aged 28 no side effects. Nephew aged 32 no side effects, his wife aged 31 no side effects.

Quite a few neighbours have had it and only 1 felt unwell after.

@Schrutesbeets

HoulYerWheesht

Okayyyy, thanks for that hurling of insults. It really strengthens your argument and highlights your debating skills.

Aside from that I'll bite and respond to some of your points -

We KNOW the vaccine is reducing deaths
No, we know that deaths are dropping. Correlation does not prove causation.
We have been exposed to the virus as a society for over a year now (that we know of), it has generally run rampant and consumed those of which were vulnerable. There is likely to be a level of natural acquired immunity now, plus we're our of winter and there will naturally be a suppression of the virus, as we know its seasonal.

We KNOW the vaccine reduces transmission
By the govs own estimates its believed they can only guarantee 30% reduction.
Even then we're assuming that we can base that on PCR testing which we know is ineffective and has a false positive outcome of upto 90%+. PCR tests were never intended to be a diagnostic tool and the creator of the PCR test himself stated that you can pretty much find anything in the body with them if you spin them at a high enough testing rate (which we've adjusted to solely for c19 and never have before).

we KNOW the vaccine rollout as enabled the return of a somewhat normally functioning society (all sources widely available, Google is your friend)
Actually, there are hundreds of thousands of clinicians worldwide who would disagree with you. Check them out - Google is your friend.

As to whether everybody else will have a booster will very much depend on whether there is a need based on risk
You mean... Like... Do people NEED it or not? So exactly what I'm saying we need to do re the current roll out of the vax?

It’s not a difficult concept to grasp, it really isn’t. You need half a brain cell, be a vigilant member of society and have the ability to read or at least listen.
There's just no need to send this kind of stuff to be honest. But then you'd probably need more than half a brain cell to realise that or to read or listen to anything that isn't told to you by the very people who make billions off it.

Let’s see your sources. I mean really, let’s see them because as an HCP who is very involved in keeping people out of what last winter was, I can guarantee they can be discredited as quickly as you posted them. I’ve seen it all before 100 times over.

Scientific facts are not up for debate. You can take the facts, set alight to them and shove them up your arse for all I care but they remain fact. The unequivocal truth. You can’t change that.

Yes people need the vaccine RIGHT NOW. We may not at the end of the year next year. Or some people might and others might not.

I reserve the right to hurl insults when people with no basic understanding of the situation and poor ability to read any kind of situational context is spouting absolute bullshit to someone that is already anxious.

@Helptonight your first mistake was to ask people on the internet about a highly complex situation. I hope you’ve found what you need but in the future, it might be wise to take advice from the people that have dedicated their lives to this subject and not random crack pots that “do their research”. @Schrutesbeets has twisted words beyond recognition. You can find the original words if you are so inclined but my advice as a professional is to ask about nothing more damaging to health than a verruca remedy on the internet.

@Helptonight

Can I ask another question if anyome knows off the top of their heads - will an additional injection be require each year like the flu jab (which I haven't ever had either!)

My FIL had his second jab last week and was (allegedly) told he would be having a booster in October and it would be given at the same time as his flu jab.....

There are possible side effects, but you won’t know what until you get it

Of my family (6) who have been vaccinated no one has side effects(3 are double jabbed) of my friends and colleagues( 10) only one had side effects

I am also a HCP. And the fact you can't even comprehend that there is not just a single vision in all of this is nuts. Just saying 'trust the science' doesn't mean anything. You mean the government funded scientists? Because if that's what you mean just say that.

I only had very mild side effects from my first AZ jab. Same with my husband.

That GBdeclaration appears to be about concerns over the effects of current government and social measures (ie lockdown, isolation etc) and doesn't mention the vaccine?

As far as the vaccine - I know quite a few people who have had it, ranging from 18 to 86, some with underlying health conditions, some been using the pill for years, etc. Most have reported a sore/heavy arm for a few days afterwards, and some mild symptoms of cold/flu for a couple of days. 2 had high temperature, flu symptoms & felt shaky and faint overnight, then were fine by the next day. (Though one of these is a drama queen anyway!) No-one I know has had strong side effects lasting more than 48 hours, or mild side effects lasting more than a week.

On the other hand, I know seven people who have had Covid - two had mild cold symptoms, one symptomless, one bedridden for a fortnight, one hospitalised, and two lost their lives. I may know more who have had it mildly and just didn't realise/mention it to others.

I've also got a new job thanks to the person I've replaced having long covid - she caught it in October 2020, and in February 2021 was still having hospital visits and tests, and still felt ill enough (with little enough prospect of improvement in the immediate future) that she felt she needed to leave her job. (A desk/office job, not a strenuous one involving manual labour).

@Schrutesbeets

I am also a HCP. And the fact you can't even comprehend that there is not just a single vision in all of this is nuts. Just saying 'trust the science' doesn't mean anything. You mean the government funded scientists? Because if that's what you mean just say that.

Lady, I’m not government funded. I’d also like to see my percentage in all those billions that you seem to think we’re getting.

Rarely has there ever been one vision it’s true. But right now, in the shit centre of it, there is.

@HoulYerWheesht thanks for the post, it's obviously an nflammatory subject - I know this and was expecting much of the debates but was genuinely interested in actual side effects of people that have had the jab. The majority have all had no long term issues which is more than encouraging x

@Helptonight I’ve had two Pfizer’s. The first no problems, the second I was unwell for a couple of days but able to function pretty much as normal with some ibuprofen and paracetamol. But like I said, it’s all a bigger picture and that’s what you need to consider.

I understand your concerns OP. I felt a little nervous before getting the OAZ vaccination.

I'm 50 and had my jab in the morning, took a paracetamol afterwards as recommended, I had flu like symptoms later that night so had an early night. I felt slightly under the weather the next morning but still went to work and I felt much better by mid afternoon. I had a heavy arm for a week.

DH had a headache for 6+ hours after OAZ. Fine the next day.

My parents/ILS who are all 75+ had no side effects two had Pfizer the other OAZ.

I know a dozen or so people who have had Covid-19. Sadly a friend of my DH died, another who has long covid and my friend's teenager who was very poorly for three weeks but thankfully fully recovered.

I can't wait to get back to normality so was happy to have the vaccination. Plus my friend is a Doctor and was on a Covid-19 ward in the first lockdown and she said it was brutal.

49, AZ, one jab and literally zero side effects, not even a sore arm.
The worst bit was constantly wondering if I had any side effects for 48 hours - nope

I have debated whether to post this as I don't want to discourage others from having the jab.

I had the AZ jab in early March, developed flu like symptoms, aching all over for a couple of days but was left with severe pain and swelling in the groin, severe back and hip pain. I have history of back and hip problems but groin problem completely new.

Long story short, eventually tested for blood clot to hip, which proved negative and going into hospital for procedure and more investigations tomorrow. I have been off work for two months.

I would like to have the second jab but very wary after this experience and no idea what has caused the groin issue which is now completely numb and skin feels 'burnt.

I had covid 5 months ago. Very mild but I still have no sense of smell or taste. It is fing depressing as hell. Vaccine gave me a sore arm.

And my DF, DS and DB had no side effects either - my DH felt fluey for about 4 hours (he had Covid at Christmas - some people say the effects can be worse if you’ve had it, though I doubt that’s clinically proven!)

@Dobbyisahouseelf I am so sorry to hear that, it has been an awful year and a bit for some people x

50. Had first jab, sore arm nothing more. Pls have the vaccine

@Dacquoise thank you for posting your experience, I am sorry to hear about what you have gone through. I hope you get some answers from your hospital stay x

Pfizer x 2. Nil side effects.

I had my 1stcAZ this afternoon and so far (touch wood) I’m fine
I can’t even find the injection site