To not be able to believe what I'm reading

[Butwasitherdriveway]

Had a leaflet through my door......

I'm lost for words.

@DiddlyWiddly I agree with you.

@Bvop

In a liberal democracy there’s room for all sorts of opinions, including those. I don’t agree with them but fair play to them for putting their case forward and people can choose to vote for them or not. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I hate the demonising of people for holding different political views.

They're reinventing a broken wheel. It looks like they're in favour of gay conversion therapies. Their return to family values reminds me of the The Stepford Wives.

@HarrietLong

I agree with some of their aims, but others sound very worrying.

Same here: free speech, academic rigour, no transing of children (a wait-and-see approach, I assume, until the child is old enough to give informed consent - and properly know their sexuality).

@Jenala

In what world is me starting a thread and talking about it silencing them?

Also , it's funny you speak of intolerance.....

I am absolutely lost for words at the rest of your post
Ah well.
Abortion isn’t going to be banned anyway so I never really understand quite why people get so angry at us pro lifers.

So you think women should bring up children as a result of rape and seriously disabled children because you've decided they should
Wow
I think the child conceived through rape is a victim too and I don’t think it is morally right to end the lives of others.

The law is highly unlikely to change so no need to get stressy.
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But the problem with making abortion illegal or extremely difficult is it pushes desperate and very vulnerable women to seek out dangerous and life threatening alternatives...

Apologies not read the full thread but wow.

I've never been good at geography but I didn't realize Scotland was in Utah .

@DiddlyWiddly

I am absolutely lost for words at the rest of your post Ah well. Abortion isn’t going to be banned anyway so I never really understand quite why people get so angry at us pro lifers.

So you think women should bring up children as a result of rape and seriously disabled children because you've decided they should
Wow
I think the child conceived through rape is a victim too and I don’t think it is morally right to end the lives of others.

The law is highly unlikely to change so no need to get stressy.
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Because your views are appalling.

"Compared to women, men tend to work longer hours, are more willing to sacrifice job security for career advancement, do more dangerous jobs, and take fewer career breaks. Women often want to devote themselves more to family life. The “Gender Pay Gap” is by and large a reflection of the natural differences between men and women, and no government action is required to address it."

Is this really something they've said?!

Under his FUCKING eye.

Stop the world I want to get off.

God I'm so angry we are being dismissed, belittled and silenced.

A foetus conceived by rape is not a victim. A living, breathing woman is. And NO ONE should ever be forced to birth a child of such brutal violence because someone doesn’t understand basic science.

Why do people always assume those who disagree with abortion are religious

@sqirrelfriends

Erm... is this Gilead?
Definitely not me!

The Marriage claim is an oxymoron.

“Marriage - Stable family life benefits everyone”

Yes, I agree that a ‘stable family life ‘ does benefit everyone. Couldn’t agree more.

Before you flame me, it’s the ‘Marriage’ heading linked to this I disagree with. Not marriage, per se (been married for twenty plus years), but the assumption that marriage is the best arena for this. If the husband (or wife) is an alcoholic, abusive, controlling etc, then the child is best out of that environment. They can still have a ‘stable family life’ but with one parent, or divorced parents that co-parent successfully.

-- This party believe that Child Abuse laws should not include "highly subjective criteria such as “make the child feel that their opinions, views or feelings are worthless”, “expose a child to… anger”, “ridicule the child” and “make them feel that they are useless.”" It's okay to make your kid feel like shit, subject them to an abusive household.

-- they want to effectively remove safeguarding procedures in schools, saying that families should act and discipline as they see fit.

-- remove medical confidentiality for under 16s, instead keeping the parents fully informed and involved.

-- domestic abuse laws should cover psychological abuse.

@kiwiPlumapple

Why do people always assume those who disagree with abortion are religious

Well they’re either religious or hard of thinking.

Did my abortion after I was raped count as 'on demand'? Or is mine allowed under their criteria?

If life is life is life and all that, they should stand by believing I did something wrong. They probably wouldn't, the cowards.

Or maybe they would and it would reinforce the fact that society as a whole really doesn't believe women are equals.

Fucking hell. Gilead unfolding. Sometimes I think it's really going to happen and she's a prophet as well as an author.

I’ve seen this on Facebook, I just think they’re extremely hard of thinking!
Bunch of arseholes.

@Giantrooster

Apologies not read the full thread but wow.

I've never been good at geography but I didn't realize Scotland was in Utah .

Utah?

Someone in the party was done for harassing Ruth Davidson after her child was born

@Standrewsschool

The Marriage claim is an oxymoron.

“Marriage - Stable family life benefits everyone”

Yes, I agree that a ‘stable family life ‘ does benefit everyone. Couldn’t agree more.

Before you flame me, it’s the ‘Marriage’ heading linked to this I disagree with. Not marriage, per se (been married for twenty plus years), but the assumption that marriage is the best arena for this. If the husband (or wife) is an alcoholic, abusive, controlling etc, then the child is best out of that environment. They can still have a ‘stable family life’ but with one parent, or divorced parents that co-parent successfully.

Totally agree.

Children are far less affected by divorce than abuse.

Because your views are appalling
In your opinion they are yes.
I find your view that deciding to end the life of another is right and acceptable absolutely appalling too.
It’s all difference of opinion which we should be allowed to express freely.

If you criticise people for defending the leaflet then you have missed the point .

Just because you defend the right to free speech does not mean you agree with the points in the leaflet .

And to take away the right to free speech is also dangerous.

I don’t think this party would get many votes but there are people who may share their views and should they be denied the right to vote for them ? No .

@Unsure33

If you criticise people for defending the leaflet then you have missed the point .

Just because you defend the right to free speech does not mean you agree with the points in the leaflet .

And to take away the right to free speech is also dangerous.

I don’t think this party would get many votes but there are people who may share their views and should they be denied the right to vote for them ? No .

Nobody on here has agreed with free speech. Every post has been specifically about the leaflet.

Diddlywidlly there is absolutely no guarantee that abortion will not be made impossible to access, either now or at any time in the future. Just look at the developments in some US states, decades after people thought the right to abortion was enshrined in Roe v Wade. Nothing is set in stone. When I was starting out in my career no one would have believed that workers rights would be trashed to the extent that zero hour contracts have become mainstream, but here we are. Dangerous nonsense like that spouted in this leaflet can have the effect of changing the chatter around an issue, also known as moving the Overton window. You nor anyone else should have the right to dicate to any person that they must carry a baby that they do not want and can not care for. None of the right to life crew give a toss about the resulting unwanted children.

@DiddlyWiddly

Because your views are appalling In your opinion they are yes. I find your view that deciding to end the life of another is right and acceptable absolutely appalling too. It’s all difference of opinion which we should be allowed to express freely.

Mmmm.