To not be able to believe what I'm reading

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Had a leaflet through my door......

I'm lost for words.

Sounds like the religious conservative fanatics we deal with here in the American south. Ghastly people. It makes me so upset that people can be so horrible to whole groups of people who aren’t bothering them in any way, just existing.

You do like to pop up every so often to give your feedback
Otherwise known as responding to being named in a post and commenting just like everyone else .

Sounds like the religious conservative fanatics we deal with here in the American south. Ghastly people

Yes, sounds like the extreme Protestantism of Northern Ireland too.

The Stepford Party. The Scots I know wouldn't pause between picking it up from the doormat and dumping it straight in recycling. Still, something to laugh at in these grim times.

@DiddlyWiddly when you say you 'don't agree' with abortion, what do you mean?

Do you mean that you think it should be legal for other women but that you just would just never have one, or that you don't think it should be legal at all and women should be forced to carry and give birth when they don't want to? What are your feelings towards women who have abortions?

These are genuine questions by the way.

[quote Letsgetreadytocrumble]@DiddlyWiddly when you say you 'don't agree' with abortion, what do you mean?

Do you mean that you think it should be legal for other women but that you just would just never have one, or that you don't think it should be legal at all and women should be forced to carry and give birth when they don't want to? What are your feelings towards women who have abortions?

These are genuine questions by the way.[/quote]
Does it matter? Diddly’s hardly going to change their mind and their opinion is irrelevant because they’re in the minority.

In Australia too - Our PM is a well-known and very vocal member of the American, happy-clappy Hillsong church (with Justin Bieber, etc) and here is an official photo of his family during Trump's (failed, thank god) second Presidency Bid. His wife is on the right sneakily doing the Qanon hand signal, which she has been photographed doing quite a bit, and when that's questioned, it was minimised as an "OK" signal. Riiiiight!

@Mookie81

You do like to pop up every so often to give your feedback Otherwise known as responding to being named in a post and commenting just like everyone else .

No no, you're the only poster who gives me personal opinions on me.

@ChairmansReserve - you seem heavily over-invested in my previous posts, considering you must have trawled through several hundred to find a couple you feel you want to re-hash! Very strange behaviour - almost stalking, I would say.

@SmokedDuck makes some very good points, while I think the SFP have some pretty abhorrent views, I know they will appeal to people who think the Scottish government are guilty of overreach into family life, and who feel individual freedom of opinion and speech are under threat.

The hate speech legislation debate has been particularly tricky and open to criticism across the political and religious spectrum. Discussion around abortion tends to generate more heat than light, schooling in Scotland is a huge concern for many parents and standards certainly aren’t improving. I can see people who feel disenfranchised by some of the current debate finding a home for their particular issues in this fringe party, and conveniently ignoring the bits they don’t agree with.

[quote Letsgetreadytocrumble]@DiddlyWiddly when you say you 'don't agree' with abortion, what do you mean?

Do you mean that you think it should be legal for other women but that you just would just never have one, or that you don't think it should be legal at all and women should be forced to carry and give birth when they don't want to? What are your feelings towards women who have abortions?

These are genuine questions by the way.[/quote]
I would suggest that if you want to debate abortion you can start a thread about it rather than trying to engage a poster who has stated several times that she avoids getting into discussion about abortion as she is aware her views are in the minority.

@MagicSummer ChairmansReserve - you seem heavily over-invested in my previous posts, considering you must have trawled through several hundred to find a couple you feel you want to re-hash! Very strange behaviour - almost stalking, I would say.

There's a great feature on this site called 'Advanced Search'. It takes approximately 20 seconds to put in someone's username, and in just the first few results it was clear that you are someone who actively hates sex and also hates anyone who fights racism.

How fortunate you are never to have experienced actual stalking, such that you could equate a 20-second search to it.

I think it's quite important to contextualise your comments on here opposing sex education in schools, that people should be aware of those facts about you that you've freely shared on this site.

I don't think someone who detests the act and mention of sex is really in a position to claim that their own lack of sex education 'didn't do me any harm'. Quite the reverse, really.

@Quaagars Still not retracted your lie about gender-critical posters supporting this right-wing, sexist, regressive political manifesto, I see.

I will ask MN to remove the comment you are referring to as on reading it back it can be read as people are saying they are fine with this party because they agree with people when it comes to trans people - when all I meant was people do seem fine with hate speech when it comes to trans issues (define hate speech, blah blah is a whole separate tangent before anyone says) and also seem fine with far right views for the same reason (as shown several times on MN fairly recently with references to Breitbart or far right you tubers being agreed with.)
Didn't mean people were fine with this party.
Sorry for not being clear, I can see it was an ambiguous comment

Do you mean that you think it should be legal for other women but that you just would just never have one, or that you don't think it should be legal at all
I think that unless carrying into term would be life threatening it should not be allowed.

‘Life threatening’ though is a very grey area, what defines ‘life threatening’ will vary from person to person.

I would include mental impact under the term but not everyone would.
So for me, if a woman really felt that carrying to term would have such a detrimental impact on her mental health she would be at risk of harming herself I think she should be able to access an abortion.

As I understand it, in the UK, two doctors need to sign it off and I believe counselling has to be offered?
But ultimately in the UK as I understand it you can access an abortion for any reason.
I don’t feel that is ‘right’.

I know women personally who have had abortions because the timing was inconvenient and because they didn’t want to use birth control.
Many people don’t have a problem with that because they feel it’s the woman’s body and she can do whatever she likes with it (which I agree with) and they don’t recognise the developing pregnancy as a ‘baby’ or a life in its own right.
But I do consider a developing pregnancy to be a life in its own right.

I cannot agree to anyone taking the life of another unless the circumstances are life threatening.
That includes not only abortion but also euthanasia (I feel it’s far too open to abuse) and war but those are separate subjects I won’t go into.

what are your feelings towards women who have abortions?
I have no negative feelings if that is what you mean.
I don’t consider women who have abortions ‘bad people’ or ‘murderers’ or anything like that.
They are doing what they believe to be right.
In most cases I would disagree with them but I hold no negative feeling towards them whatsoever.

@DiddlyWiddly

Do you mean that you think it should be legal for other women but that you just would just never have one, or that you don't think it should be legal at all I think that unless carrying into term would be life threatening it should not be allowed.

‘Life threatening’ though is a very grey area, what defines ‘life threatening’ will vary from person to person.

I would include mental impact under the term but not everyone would.
So for me, if a woman really felt that carrying to term would have such a detrimental impact on her mental health she would be at risk of harming herself I think she should be able to access an abortion.

As I understand it, in the UK, two doctors need to sign it off and I believe counselling has to be offered?
But ultimately in the UK as I understand it you can access an abortion for any reason.
I don’t feel that is ‘right’.

I know women personally who have had abortions because the timing was inconvenient and because they didn’t want to use birth control.
Many people don’t have a problem with that because they feel it’s the woman’s body and she can do whatever she likes with it (which I agree with) and they don’t recognise the developing pregnancy as a ‘baby’ or a life in its own right.
But I do consider a developing pregnancy to be a life in its own right.

I cannot agree to anyone taking the life of another unless the circumstances are life threatening.
That includes not only abortion but also euthanasia (I feel it’s far too open to abuse) and war but those are separate subjects I won’t go into.

what are your feelings towards women who have abortions?
I have no negative feelings if that is what you mean.
I don’t consider women who have abortions ‘bad people’ or ‘murderers’ or anything like that.
They are doing what they believe to be right.
In most cases I would disagree with them but I hold no negative feeling towards them whatsoever.

The issue isn’t really pro- or anti- abortion though, nobody really gives a shit about the baby’s quality of life once it’s born to a mother who didn’t want it. Let’s not pretend life is so sacred that we value it when that unwanted baby becomes a drug-addicted, miserable teen.

If people really believed in the sanctity of life for unwanted babies, the vast majority of people would adopt rather than carry their own. What you want is a mother punished for getting pregnant at an inconvenient time or not wanting to use contraception (not the father though, he’s blameless).

That’s why your opinion is irrelevant. Because it’s illogical.

*punished using the very child you claim to care about, that should say.

The issue isn’t really pro- or anti- abortion though, nobody really gives a shit about the baby’s quality of life once it’s born to a mother who didn’t want it. Let’s not pretend life is so sacred that we value it when that unwanted baby becomes a drug-addicted, miserable teen
And here we go round again with all the inaccurate assumptions..

@DiddlyWiddly

The issue isn’t really pro- or anti- abortion though, nobody really gives a shit about the baby’s quality of life once it’s born to a mother who didn’t want it. Let’s not pretend life is so sacred that we value it when that unwanted baby becomes a drug-addicted, miserable teen And here we go round again with all the inaccurate assumptions..

What’s inaccurate in that paragraph?

What you want is a mother punished for getting pregnant at an inconvenient time or not wanting to use contraception (not the father though, he’s blameless)
More inaccurate assumptions.

What’s inaccurate in that paragraph?
That no one gives a shit for the resultant baby.

@DiddlyWiddly

What’s inaccurate in that paragraph? That no one gives a shit for the resultant baby.

How many children have you adopted? What work have you done to fund care homes? How much money do you give to addiction charities to help those unwanted babies as adults?

@DiddlyWiddly

What you want is a mother punished for getting pregnant at an inconvenient time or not wanting to use contraception (not the father though, he’s blameless) More inaccurate assumptions.

What’s inaccurate in that paragraph?

Hi all,
Just swinging by this thread to offer a cup of tea and a finger of shortbread to everyone, and to remind everyone to, as we say up here, calm their jets a bit because the thread is being reported as rather fractious. Having skimmed, it does seem that there has been some to and fro, but if anyone sees anything they reckon we need to have a look at, please report the individual post/s concerned.

I'd be contacting them and explaining they accidently sent me one of their manifestos from the 1960s through the door, and could they please send a more up to date one