To not be able to believe what I'm reading

[Butwasitherdriveway]

Had a leaflet through my door......

I'm lost for words.

If we did not have democracy and free speech OP your thread would have been pulled at your first post .

@Unsure33

If we did not have democracy and free speech OP your thread would have been pulled at your first post .

I don't have a problem with free speech.

I have a problem with hate speech.

A few days ago because they posted a picture of an 8 and 9 week "baby" which was CLEARLY much older so I posted a picture of an ACTUAL 8 week fetus. They blocked me.

People to be respectful in their views

There are moderators on this site to determine which views break the site guidelines. Other than that, nobody owes you their silence.

@Fieldoftheclothofgold

People to be respectful in their views

There are moderators on this site to determine which views break the site guidelines. Other than that, nobody owes you their silence.

I have never at any point asked anyone to be silent. Just to be mindful about how they word things. Is that now outrageous?

@slashlover

A few days ago because they posted a picture of an 8 and 9 week "baby" which was CLEARLY much older so I posted a picture of an ACTUAL 8 week fetus. They blocked me.

Oh no. Bet you're devastated.

Theyre also the Parry thay wants to remove anti sex discrimination laws because they don't believe that women should go out to work, aren't they? Or is that just their rather odd leader?

I had a look at their Twitter feed. This is their quote regarding the banning of gay conversion therapies:

Those advocating the ban on therapies are nominal conservatives anxious to be seen as "right on".

We stand for the freedom of consenting adults to get the help they want." 28/3/21

In the unlikely event they got voted in, i wonder how long it would be before people were socially coerced into attending these therapies? There's virtually no evidence to say conversion therapies were successful. There's more evidence to say they did alot of harm to those individuals who underwent therapy to change their sexual orientation. whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-whether-conversion-therapy-can-alter-sexual-orientation-without-causing-harm/

I am in a slightly uncomfortable place in which I disagree with pretty much every single view they have, yet am living a life of which they would wholly approve! I could almost be their poster girl! (Except for my job)

I have never at any point asked anyone to be silent. Just to be mindful about how they word things. Is that now outrageous?

To ask other people to self-censor in a serious discussion about human rights based on your personal feelings? It is, yes. Nobody was indulging in hate speech.

OP / I don’t think the leaflet is hate speech.

Why do you think it is.

Tes article on Richard Lucas fitness to teach case 2018: www.tes.com/news/ruth-davidson-need-know-richard-lucas-fitness-teach-case

It’s actually a fairly mainstream common or garden socially conservative political party isn’t it? Further right than the conservatives certainly, but we have lots of these little parties here in English politics that appear periodically on the ballot papers. In the upcoming mayoral elections I could vote for Laurence Fox, the Heritage Party, the SDP, and Brian Rose, all of which have policies overlapping the ones in this leaflet. Others on the post seem very surprised to see these sentiments, have they not had any presence in Scotland recently?

@PickAChew

I would say thank goodness hardly anyone would vote for them but I couldn't be so certain about that, these days.

That's my fear too. I've been watching the qanon movement for some time because I'm fascinated by how people can believe this stuff. I'm amazed by how quickly it's gone from a handful of wackos to a well known thing with more and more people getting sucked it. I've seen obviously false and frankly unbelievable stuff treated as fact by a vocal minority of people.

As a principle I think people should be able to express their opinions, but they should expect some serious and robust opposition to their views when they are this dangerous.

@Kentuki

It’s actually a fairly mainstream common or garden socially conservative political party isn’t it? Further right than the conservatives certainly, but we have lots of these little parties here in English politics that appear periodically on the ballot papers. In the upcoming mayoral elections I could vote for Laurence Fox, the Heritage Party, the SDP, and Brian Rose, all of which have policies overlapping the ones in this leaflet. Others on the post seem very surprised to see these sentiments, have they not had any presence in Scotland recently?

I agree. They’re just your common garden misogynists. Nothing terrifying about them at all, they don’t have a hope of becoming a mainstream party.

@Bvop

In a liberal democracy there’s room for all sorts of opinions, including those. I don’t agree with them but fair play to them for putting their case forward and people can choose to vote for them or not. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I hate the demonising of people for holding different political views.

This ^

As a retired teacher - the ‘we demand good behaviour in schools’ made me chuckle (the others definitely did not make me laugh!)

Why are people discussing this party as if it were a credible force in politics? Yes, the Scottish system means that by standing in a region rather than a constituency means that fringe parties have more chance of getting in. That's why we have Green MSPs - zero Green MSPs elected in a first past the post constituency, but 6 elected on regional lists which use a different system.

In the 2016 elections there was a myriad of niche parties - Communist, National Front, Animal Welfare, Women's Equality, Tommy Sheridan's Solidarity - none got seats. Even the more mainstream UKIP, which got over 46, 500 votes did not get a seat.

This bunch aren't going to get a seat in parliament any more than the Monster Raving Loonies, the Communists or anyone else on the fringes.

@RaspberryCoulis

Why are people discussing this party as if it were a credible force in politics? Yes, the Scottish system means that by standing in a region rather than a constituency means that fringe parties have more chance of getting in. That's why we have Green MSPs - zero Green MSPs elected in a first past the post constituency, but 6 elected on regional lists which use a different system.

In the 2016 elections there was a myriad of niche parties - Communist, National Front, Animal Welfare, Women's Equality, Tommy Sheridan's Solidarity - none got seats. Even the more mainstream UKIP, which got over 46, 500 votes did not get a seat.

This bunch aren't going to get a seat in parliament any more than the Monster Raving Loonies, the Communists or anyone else on the fringes.

I think because niche, hardkinr 9arties with seemingly no hope have history of establishing themselves in Scottish politics. Particularly now with the regional. Lists. They're also getting a lot of journalistic coverage.

Although I do feel that nobody is really anti-abortion. If people truly believed in the baby’s life being important they’d be campaigning for better contraceptive choices, funding research into male contraception, advocating for well-rounded sex education and prioritising female healthcare to stop unwanted pregnancies happening.

When people say they’re anti-abortion they actually mean they’re anti-bodily autonomy for women. Because for all they say they champion the life of the baby in utero, they don’t seem to care about its quality of life once it’s been born to a mother who didn’t want it.

Wow!

In a liberal democracy there’s room for all sorts of opinions, including those. I don’t agree with them but fair play to them for putting their case forward and people can choose to vote for them or not. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I hate the demonising of people for holding different political views

I agree. We have to stop shutting people down. Just because people don't hold views held by the mainstream, doesn't mean that they can't express those views. There are a few things like denying the Holocaust, which is so vile that nobody wants to hear it, but we know full well that there are many people out there who oppose assisted suicide and abortion on demand (not that it is on demand in Scotland or elsewhere in the UK)

People would shut me down for saying that biological sex and gender identity are not the same

Similarly, if we'd not shut down everyone who was worried about immigration by calling them racist, we might still be in the EU

These views aren't ones I share, but people are allowed to express them. It's not like the majority agrees with them and I disagree that they are dangerous

I agree with all of this. And you can see where OP lies by her tired comparing to Hitler claims. Yeah, people who disagree with you are Hitler.....That makes you illiberal. Liberalism should be about there being room for different views so that one does not predominate.

What's for more dangerous than these views is seeking to shut down these views. Or demonise people making them by comparing them to the author of industrial scale genocide. Which is ridiculous. People comparing people to genocidal murderers counts as hate speech, or should, and you could find yourself on the wrong side of those hate speech laws you think are so great. Because that's the point, isn't it? Having hate speech laws means someone gets to decide what counts as hate. Great if the person deciding that thinks the same groups are Hitler-comparables that you do. Not so great if your views suddenly become the Hitler-comparables. After all, demonising people who you don't like is exactly what Hitler did. So there you - you are the Hitler-comparable! DO you see how easily you can end up on the wrong side of Hate Speech laws?

[quote Brindisi32]Tes article on Richard Lucas fitness to teach case 2018: www.tes.com/news/ruth-davidson-need-know-richard-lucas-fitness-teach-case[/quote]
It's scary that that man's a teacher.

All sounds vile to me but I've seen a lot of posters on here who would vote for them!
There's some vile hatred in the world.

If they can legislate for good behaviour in schools perhaps they have a magic wand!

Sounds like a batshit minor party that won’t last long. Mind you, we said that about UKIP, and while they didn’t get into power, they got what they wanted and fucked the Tory party no end!