To not be able to believe what I'm reading

[Butwasitherdriveway]

Had a leaflet through my door......

I'm lost for words.

@korawick12345

Oh behave .

I'm not a bully

I didn't shut anyone down . If you read very carefully I said to the PP please continue to discuss the issue at hand but maybe let's leave that particular sensitive issue.

Shoot me for wanting to protect another posters feelings .. how horrible I am.

Btw, @korawick12345, your dismissing of lynns experiences as 'anecdotal' says everything .

Know yourself before you know me.

[quote Butwasitherdriveway]@korawick12345

Oh behave .

I'm not a bully

I didn't shut anyone down . If you read very carefully I said to the PP please continue to discuss the issue at hand but maybe let's leave that particular sensitive issue.

Shoot me for wanting to protect another posters feelings .. how horrible I am.[/quote]
You are behaving in a bullying fashion towards @DiddlyWiddly and it now seems anyone else who is objecting to the way you are treating those with a different opinion to yourself. If you wanted an echo chamber you should have been clearer in your OP. You started the thread, you don't own it.

You don't think it's dangerous to ban sex ed, abortion and legalise hate speech?

Not quite what I said. I think a government doing these things would be dangerous. But first they’d have to convince a majority of people they were right. Not very likely, is it?

*Because primary school children are having sex.

That's the reality.

One of the posts claims that children under 18 shouldn't be exposed to these things.

They're all on bloody tiktok at 12. They're seeing it.*

And people who would vote for this party would (I’d have to assume) take action about this state of affairs. Primary school age children having sex and watching porn is the abuse of children. Why are you blasé about this?

Morals are all well and good but given there is someone on this thread who has already spoken very bravely about being raped, this isn't hypothetical, and could you please stop?

Fairly sick of hearing about this ‘hypotheticals’ argument. This is a political discussion started by you, OP. You don’t get to police people’s abstract opinions on politics because of the presence of individuals who might get upset. You started the discussion. What do you want here?

good behaviour in schools" - WTF.

Back at you: WTF.

Do they support the idea of Scotland having its own time zone?

I.e. the 1950s?

@youvegottenminuteslynn

Oh and *@DiddlyWiddly* Im personally not opposed at all to you continuing contributing to the thread. At all. I've repeatedly said I would fight for your right to express your beliefs. Doesn't mean I can't challenge the way you express them and be disappointed in your response.

I'm just staggered at your resistance to apologise and the fact you didn't automatically do it once you saw how your posts did read in the way I flagged to you.

She has apologised, multiple times. She calmly posted her opinion, which she is allowed to. I don't agree with her but she does not deserve the constant abuse from you and the OP. Both of you have isolated her on this thread and are now posting a barrage of arguably nasty remarks with inflammatory language. This isn't discussing different views, it's bullying a poster.

I really dont understand why anyone is defending their right to an opinion when what they are doing is trying to shut down half of society.

Because the ‘right to an opinion’ is an essential plank in human rights law. Because it’s the only reason you have a vote. Because it would be tyrannical to remove the right to an opinion.

See?

Just because you think it’s disgusting, that doesn’t give you a right to remove it. If you don’t like it, bin it. It’s that simple.

@Kentuki

People who believe that abortion is always killing a baby won’t agree with abortion under any circumstances, even if they have the greatest of sympathy for terrible individual situations. That view has a totally coherent internal logic.

Diddly and other anti-abortionists came here to discuss the generalised sentiments of the leaflet that OP posted, and when they did so they were confronted with some very sad individual stories. That can only have the effect of shutting down debate or discussion. It certainly doesn’t change hearts or minds, if that is the aim.

This wasn’t a thread about people’s individual situations of having a termination and how tragic and traumatic those situations were. For an anti abortionist to come on to those threads and state their views would be intrusive and abhorrent. But views were openly invited on a general topic, and when the wrong ones were expressed, very emotional, dare I say manipulative language was used to shut it down. In fact from the outside it’s looks like it’s turned into a rather unpleasant dogpile, and I don’t think people should be congratulating themselves on how well they’ve educated the anti abortionists......

Completely agree. If you can't read an opposing opinion without using your personal experience to attack someone you should step back from the computer. I reiterate, I don't agree with Diddly. But she has a right to her opinion without the bullying and haranguing on this thread.

@Butwasitherdriveway

Can we stop the derailing about weeks? We have a poster on here who has bravely and beautifully talked about her experiences of pregnancy after being raped.

I don't want to have to get the thread pulled. Let's stick purely to the leaflet itself.

It's not appropriate to the thread and has resulted in attacks on another poster. Her story is extremely sad but it is now being used, mostly you, to bully another poster.

I am for people being able to express these views and set up a political party to try to express these views in a free society, even though I find the views themselves abhorrent.

I'm absolutely certain this party will fall on it's face and lose their stamp in every seat.

They’re notoriously homophobic and a bit backward in general IMHO, but free country and all that. Just rip it up.

I am sure on the PPB I saw they are all for being able to whack kids - so only pro-life when it isn't actually alive and can't answer back.

@Butwasitherdriveway

Me? *@OnTheBrink1* ? what have i shared thats manipulative?

All I have done is back Lynn. as is my responsibility on a thread I start.

Just because you started a thread doesn’t mean you get to lord of over all the options and censor what others views are. No one is forced to share their experiences and pain on these threads. They do so willingly and of their own volition. Of course there are going to be opposing views on this- you have posted an extremely divisive leaflet. In fact, one of the most emotive and divisive topics there is! Any responsibility started and ended there. You don’t get now to tell everyone (who is posting reasonable discussion and views) to shut up, sorry it doesn’t work like that.

@Butwasitherdriveway

Here's the thing.

These guys want

Hate speech to be OK - ie say what you like, to who you like, when you like, and that's fine.

Anti abortion - we've done that one big time.

Anti euthanasia - well, each to their own, but again, why on earth would you be that entitled and arrogant to decide that you can tell other people how to feel?

Trans ideology - a cheap shot based at jumping in on the current divide.

"good behaviour in schools" - WTF.

and then we get to valuing married "families" over anyone else.

None of these points make for a respectful, kind society.

I really dont understand why anyone is defending their right to an opinion when what they are doing is trying to shut down half of society.

Because luckily you don’t get to decide what is discussed as we live in a democracy. None of that is hate speech. I don’t agree with the majority of it so I will ignore it, bin it and not vote for them. They will 100% lose their deposit and we won’t hear from them for 4 years. But if we can’t discuss issues and are shut down then we are no better than non democracies.

Butwasitherdrivewsy. You are bullying one poster. Leave it alone now. You don’t agree with her views. That’s fine. It’s been discussed. Now move on.

Genuine question - if you are married, but then are widowed, would they support the woman working to feed her kids, and as there is no man of the house, would that woman be eligible for the "man pay"? Or would she be expected to remarry?

@Standrewsschool

The Marriage claim is an oxymoron.

“Marriage - Stable family life benefits everyone”

Yes, I agree that a ‘stable family life ‘ does benefit everyone. Couldn’t agree more.

Before you flame me, it’s the ‘Marriage’ heading linked to this I disagree with. Not marriage, per se (been married for twenty plus years), but the assumption that marriage is the best arena for this. If the husband (or wife) is an alcoholic, abusive, controlling etc, then the child is best out of that environment. They can still have a ‘stable family life’ but with one parent, or divorced parents that co-parent successfully.

Agree - many marriages are far from "stable" situations for the women and children in them - or they are stable in the sense that they are unremitting violence and distress.

Oh dear, oh dear. That’s all I can say

@Feelinghothothottoday

Butwasitherdrivewsy. You are bullying one poster. Leave it alone now. You don’t agree with her views. That’s fine. It’s been discussed. Now move on.

No, I'm not. Please don't use words like that. Thanks.

Also - 'if we can't discuss and shut down' what on earth do you think we are doing on here?

@OnTheBrink1 could you quote where I told anyone to shut up?

Had a nosey on their Facebook page again this morning. It's terrifying how much people are following this. Reminds me of the MLM groups with their gangs of followers who blindly repeat things.

@Youdose

They’re notoriously homophobic and a bit backward in general IMHO, but free country and all that. Just rip it up.

Which is ironic, considering one of their standing councillors 'used to be' a gay porn star. But its okay, he's not gay anymore.

@Fieldoftheclothofgold

Morals are all well and good but given there is someone on this thread who has already spoken very bravely about being raped, this isn't hypothetical, and could you please stop?

Fairly sick of hearing about this ‘hypotheticals’ argument. This is a political discussion started by you, OP. You don’t get to police people’s abstract opinions on politics because of the presence of individuals who might get upset. You started the discussion. What do you want here?

People to be respectful in their views

@Mookie81, I'm sorry, but what you are saying in your posts just isn't the case.