To not be able to believe what I'm reading

[Butwasitherdriveway]

Had a leaflet through my door......

I'm lost for words.

I'm not in Scotland but I actually can't believe this is real!

@Butwasitherdriveway

Thank you. Imagine only understanding caring about something if it could directly affect you. Can't get my head around that one and actually feel quite sorry for people who don't have the empathy to understand those who do care about things that won't directly affect them.

Grim, just seems to be all about keeping women in their place. Anti abortion but I wonder what their take on contraception and actually preventing unplanned pregnancies happening in the first place is? Once you scratch below the surface a lot of these types of groups also oppose accessible contraception and sex education so it really isn’t just about ‘respecting life’.

@youvegottenminuteslynn

While I've got you @youvegottenminuteslynn , don't know If you saw it but I did apologise on the other thread for losing the plot. It seems to be a very sensitive topic for me. You have always been very good to me on these threads so I'm sorry 💖

That's really good of you and i thought it was great you came back to the thread, it was brave and I think lots of us really appreciated it. And thank you re the sensitive topic - I am so lucky to be in a country where I have bodily autonomy and get passionate about it less for me and more for people who felt / feel obligated to continue a pregnancy detrimental to their wellbeing and against their choices due to the pressure from women who are unlikely to have fallen pregnant from rape (statistically) and men who... oh don't even get me started on men who judge women like me for making that decision. It wasn't a difficult one for me at all, which as I say I feel really lucky for.

Thank you again, we may disagree on some stuff but at least we can do it respectfully. And without flippant, disrespectful emojis!

I never understand the anti abortionist who accept abortion in 1 circumstance but not another.
A woman should always have the right to choose an abortion for any reason.

The leaflet is ridiculous, but some people will be all for it, especially those who don’t dig a little deeper and find out what the party is actually proposing.

You so get a lot of morons who don’t actually have a clue what they are voting for.

FWIW I think posts like the 'murder' one should stand as it's important people do see all sides of the debate. More fool me maybe!

[quote youvegottenminuteslynn]@Butwasitherdriveway

Thank you. Imagine only understanding caring about something if it could directly affect you. Can't get my head around that one and actually feel quite sorry for people who don't have the empathy to understand those who do care about things that won't directly affect them. [/quote]
This is what makes me laugh.

The anti-abortion is done with such a moral superiority that it's embarassing.

@MiddleOfThePack

Umm sorry if someone's already posted this but everyone's entitled to an opinion. If you don't like it, don't vote for them. That's democracy for you.

Oh sorry, are we not allowed to discuss views anymore? Didn't realise.

@youvegottenminuteslynn

FWIW I think posts like the 'murder' one should stand as it's important people do see all sides of the debate. More fool me maybe!

No, not more fool you.

Bless you coming on here and taking this nonsense from people and still trying to see their point of view. I can't imagine the trauma you have been through.

@youvegottenminuteslynn

FWIW I think posts like the 'murder' one should stand as it's important people do see all sides of the debate. More fool me maybe!

I absolutely think all sides of the abortion debate should be allowed to be voiced. I'm absolutely in favour of abortion, but I am, always willing to hear from people who disagree with me.

Well you don't care about the woman on this thread who has been brave about her experience and you are still playing semantics with her
Nonsense.
I am in no way, shape or form unsympathetic to the experiences of any woman affected by sexual harassment, abuse and/or rape. At all.
It is the exact opposite.

I understand that poster felt I was minimising or making light of rape by the use of emojis but I absolutely wasn’t at all.
I have read back and can see how it could have come across that way but that was not my intention at all.
I used them to try and make the point that my stance is my stance, that I am aware of the arguments already but because I see the foetus as a baby I cannot agree with abortion irrespective of the circumstance.
But that does not mean I am not disgusted, appalled and affected by what has happened to those women.
I am not unsympathetic at all despite what you think.

You are making entirely untrue assumptions based purely on the fact I am anti abortion.

@MoppaSprings

I never understand the anti abortionist who accept abortion in 1 circumstance but not another. A woman should always have the right to choose an abortion for any reason.

The leaflet is ridiculous, but some people will be all for it, especially those who don’t dig a little deeper and find out what the party is actually proposing.

You so get a lot of morons who don’t actually have a clue what they are voting for.

They accept it in circumstances they agree with. They're good like that.

@me4real

They don't agree with body parts and sexual intercourse being taught, it's too "vulgar".

I suggest you are spinning what they say again and they didn't say that.

Abortion on demand is when a woman can ask for abortion and get it simply by requesting it. We don't technically have that in the UK but we probably effectively do (I'm pro-choice BTW.)

People who don't believe in abortion on demand think that abortion should be on the grounds of genuine medical need, or if a woman's been raped etc, specific reasons.

People who don't believe in abortion on demand think that abortion should be on the grounds of genuine medical need, or if a woman's been raped etc, specific reasons.

I think this meme/image is a good rebuttal to that argument:

@DiddlyWiddly

Well you don't care about the woman on this thread who has been brave about her experience and you are still playing semantics with her Nonsense. I am in no way, shape or form unsympathetic to the experiences of any woman affected by sexual harassment, abuse and/or rape. At all. It is the exact opposite.

I understand that poster felt I was minimising or making light of rape by the use of emojis but I absolutely wasn’t at all.
I have read back and can see how it could have come across that way but that was not my intention at all.
I used them to try and make the point that my stance is my stance, that I am aware of the arguments already but because I see the foetus as a baby I cannot agree with abortion irrespective of the circumstance.
But that does not mean I am not disgusted, appalled and affected by what has happened to those women.
I am not unsympathetic at all despite what you think.

You are making entirely untrue assumptions based purely on the fact I am anti abortion.

Diddly,

I am making assumptions based on the fact that despite a very brave woman sharing her experiences on this thread, you responded to her post with semantics and picking apart words she used, rather than oh my goodness I'm so sorry you went through that real life person, I will stop with my views on this thread which are clearly going to upset you, as I suggested a few pages back.

Doesn't stop you discussing the topic at hand, but rather recognising when to stop MaKing Your PoInT.

@Butwasitherdriveway

I'm lucky it was pretty clear cut for me. I think it's important that gobby gobshites like me who are willing to engage in a meaningful way with people who judge me, not for me and not even mainly because it upsets me, but because so many women and young girls aren't able for a variety of reasons to speak out about it from a first person perspective. I like to think I can be their voice a bit, though everyone's circumstances are different of course.

And sorry for the me-rail on this thread, as I say I just feel it's important that as someone who can be patient and is willing to take the time to explain things to people whose views I find damaging, I should show up and speak up.

Here's the thing.

These guys want

Hate speech to be OK - ie say what you like, to who you like, when you like, and that's fine.

Anti abortion - we've done that one big time.

Anti euthanasia - well, each to their own, but again, why on earth would you be that entitled and arrogant to decide that you can tell other people how to feel?

Trans ideology - a cheap shot based at jumping in on the current divide.

"good behaviour in schools" - WTF.

and then we get to valuing married "families" over anyone else.

None of these points make for a respectful, kind society.

I really dont understand why anyone is defending their right to an opinion when what they are doing is trying to shut down half of society.

Have the DUP found their way to Scotland. 😭

[quote youvegottenminuteslynn]@Butwasitherdriveway

I'm lucky it was pretty clear cut for me. I think it's important that gobby gobshites like me who are willing to engage in a meaningful way with people who judge me, not for me and not even mainly because it upsets me, but because so many women and young girls aren't able for a variety of reasons to speak out about it from a first person perspective. I like to think I can be their voice a bit, though everyone's circumstances are different of course.

And sorry for the me-rail on this thread, as I say I just feel it's important that as someone who can be patient and is willing to take the time to explain things to people whose views I find damaging, I should show up and speak up. [/quote]
not a me-rail at all.

I have so much time and respect for you.

Sounds like a cult.

@DiddlyWiddly

I understand that poster felt I was minimising or making light of rape by the use of emojis but I absolutely wasn’t at all. I have read back and can see how it could have come across that way but that was not my intention at all.

Still no sorry though? Just a defence of your intent, not an apology for the impact?

Blimey.

@Pviolet

From their website

Domestic abuse law should not cover vaguely defined “psychological abuse”

How can anyone support this?

Wow, it gets worse the more I read.

How can anyone support this, I've got no idea, but I suggest that only a sociopath would support that.

[quote youvegottenminuteslynn]@DiddlyWiddly

I understand that poster felt I was minimising or making light of rape by the use of emojis but I absolutely wasn’t at all. I have read back and can see how it could have come across that way but that was not my intention at all.

Still no sorry though? Just a defence of your intent, not an apology for the impact?

Blimey. [/quote]
No, because she's RiGhT.

Stuff your feelings.

Stuff anyone's feelings. They're RIGHT, and thats all that matters, never mind your pain having to read that.

I honestly just feel for these people, lucky then for not having to have gone through those experiences. To them I say, there but for the grace of god.

These guys are gonna appeal straight to the "everyone is just too offended" brigade.

Oh and @DiddlyWiddly Im personally not opposed at all to you continuing contributing to the thread. At all. I've repeatedly said I would fight for your right to express your beliefs. Doesn't mean I can't challenge the way you express them and be disappointed in your response.

I'm just staggered at your resistance to apologise and the fact you didn't automatically do it once you saw how your posts did read in the way I flagged to you.

I think what this thread demonstrates in technicolour is that what people like this that write these leaflets forget is that there is real people behind these issues.