Derek Chauvin

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Derek Chauvin found guilty of all charges ,this is the right verdict imo,having watched the trial

@skirk64

My takeaway from the recent police killings in America is simple - always comply with police instructions.

George Floyd would still be alive if he hadn't resisted.
Rayshard Brooks would still be alive if he hadn't resisted grabbed an officer's taser and run off.
Daunte Wright would still be alive if he hadn't resisted, got back into his car and driven away.
Adam Toledo would still be alive if he had not run away in an attempt to hide his firearm before surrendering.

That doesn't mean officers shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. But the common denominator in these fatal shootings is that the person killed did not comply with the instructions of the police. In most/all of those cases, the alleged crimes were fairly minor. Argue your case down the police station, argue it in court, don't argue with the officer pointing a gun at you.

What do you do when the police instructions are contradictory and almost impossible to follow?

Maybe read up on Daniel Shaver? Some of the video is available online (although it is distressing)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

Police Sergeant Charles Langley then ordered Shaver, who was lying prone, to cross his legs. Moments later, he ordered Shaver to push himself "up to a kneeling position". While complying with the order to kneel, Shaver uncrossed his legs and Langley shouted that Shaver needed to keep his legs crossed. Startled, Shaver then put his hands behind his back and was again warned by Langley to keep his hands in the air. Langley yelled at Shaver that if he deviated from police instructions again, they would shoot him. Sergeant Langley told Shaver not to put his hands down for any reason. Shaver said, "Please don't shoot me". Upon being instructed to crawl, Shaver put his hands down and crawled on all fours. While crawling towards the officers, Shaver paused and moved his right hand towards his waistband. Officer Philip Brailsford, who later testified he believed that Shaver was reaching for a weapon, then opened fire with his AR-15 rifle, striking Shaver five times and killing him almost instantly. Shaver was unarmed and may have been attempting to prevent his shorts from slipping down. An autopsy report found that Shaver was intoxicated (with a blood-alcohol level over three times the legal driving limit), which police stated may have contributed to his confused response to their commands.

Part of the problem is that there are over 18,000 police forces of various types across the USA - from huge NYPD types to tiny sheriff departments - all have different polices on everything from recruitment to control and restraint.

@skirk64

My takeaway from the recent police killings in America is simple - always comply with police instructions.

George Floyd would still be alive if he hadn't resisted.
Rayshard Brooks would still be alive if he hadn't resisted grabbed an officer's taser and run off.
Daunte Wright would still be alive if he hadn't resisted, got back into his car and driven away.
Adam Toledo would still be alive if he had not run away in an attempt to hide his firearm before surrendering.

That doesn't mean officers shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. But the common denominator in these fatal shootings is that the person killed did not comply with the instructions of the police. In most/all of those cases, the alleged crimes were fairly minor. Argue your case down the police station, argue it in court, don't argue with the officer pointing a gun at you.

You are so quick to victim blame. How about educating yourself on how the police routinely treat black people in America before spouting off. The information is out there.

Yes and she was only 17 years old too. What courage.

Her actions made a tremendous difference. If she hadn't filmed and shared what actually happened, who's to say that the account of GF's death quoted above wouldn't have been the accepted version of "the truth".

I often wonder about that poor girl, though. She is only a bit older than my dd. What an awful thing to have witnessed, and then the global response to her video must have been pretty overwhelming too. I wonder how you move on from something like that. I really hope that she is ok, and getting appropriate help to process what has happened.

This is from statista.com website and refers specifically to deaths by shooting so would not include deaths like George Floyd's.

Yes it is. Interesting isn't it how we're so quick to condemn the US police when there's pretty clear evidence our own police forces have similar systemic issues resulting in the deaths of people who are BAME

Maybe we should get our own house in order rather that criticising others. No one seems to be starting threads for British victims of police brutality

I agree.

Black people account for 8% of deaths in custody in England and Wales, while accounting for only 3% of the population. Have any police officers ever been convicted for these deaths. No.

The right decision was made, the footage was shocking and clearly showed a man slowly being killed.

'George Floyd would still be alive if he hadn't resisted.

But he resisted because he was terrified. I've watched the full video, it's about an hour long. He's not violently resisting iirc... But seems almost claustrophobia terrified about going in the car and pleading not to. The police made no attempt to calm hkm down, to talk to him, to reassure him. No attempt at descalation. A different approach may have worked.

The police department seriously need to review their restraint training ....

What is the AIBU?

George Floyd would still be alive if he hadn't resisted.

George Floyd would still be alive if Derek Chauvin hadn't murdered him.

@EvilOnion

Not blaming GF for his death or exonerating his killer before anyone kicks off.

This is the new "I'm not racist but..."

Oh give over. Don't bring race into this. I'm talking about the pressure on US police officers but because it's difficult to have a conversation on here without the virtue signallers like you derailing, I put in a disclaimer.

@nottoday3000
Unfortunately there’s a minority, but a significant minority, of US police officers who get off on the power and inflicting pain. It wasn’t about a lack of training it was about a sadistic pos in a position of authority.

George Floyd would still be alive if he hadn't resisted

If four police officers can't deal non-lethally with one person resisting arrest, perhaps they shouldn't be police officers.

@pinkearedcow

Yes it is. Interesting isn't it how we're so quick to condemn the US police when there's pretty clear evidence our own police forces have similar systemic issues resulting in the deaths of people who are BAME

Maybe we should get our own house in order rather that criticising others. No one seems to be starting threads for British victims of police brutality

I agree.

Black people account for 8% of deaths in custody in England and Wales, while accounting for only 3% of the population. Have any police officers ever been convicted for these deaths. No.

Well hopefully this case will shine a light on how the police here deal with black and brown people. This has been talked about for years, the amount of racism in the police force. I do not see, however, there will be any meaningful and long lasting change, while you have Cressida Dick, refusing to admit that the police service is systemically racist.

I think this is a wider issue than just police brutality. America is an extremely violent place and I have read in the past that police officers go out on duty thinking that they can have a gun pulled on them at any time. With that in mind, they are trigger happy and very heavy-handed whereas in the UK our police probably do not go out on a daily basis knowing every other delinquent is carrying a gun. This is not me sticking up for the American police. They are a nasty bunch. I just think that this issue is broader than just recruitment. and training adjustments.

It is the right verdict. I think GF was a nasty piece of work but he did have rights that should have been cosidered.

And God help you if you are a black man with mental health problems having a crisis on the street here.

@paralysedbyinertia

George Floyd would still be alive if he hadn't resisted.

George Floyd would still be alive if Derek Chauvin hadn't murdered him.

This. Exactly this.

Plus he’d probably still be alive if he was white.

Why do posters feel the need to state what they thought of George Floyd? What has that got to do with the fact that he had the life snuffed out of him by an officer of the law on some trip? Nothing.

@skirk64

What should Breonna Taylor have done differently to avoid being murdered by 'law enforcement' ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShootingoffBreonnaTaylor

A sobering twitter thread by Brian Root

As the Derek Chauvin trial comes to a close, it is important to recognize that accountability for the killing of George Floyd, while necessary, will not have a broad effect on American policing. The circumstances that led to this tragedy will be repeated. 🧵 below
twitter.com/brian_root/status/1384615725508161536?s=21

Why do posters feel the need to state what they thought of George Floyd? What has that got to do with the fact that he had the life snuffed out of him by an officer of the law on some trip? Nothing.

Exactly.

mappingpoliceviolence.org/

This is where I got my stats from.

All races are murdered by police in the states.
They spell out the proportionality simply.

@C130

Why do posters feel the need to state what they thought of George Floyd? What has that got to do with the fact that he had the life snuffed out of him by an officer of the law on some trip? Nothing.

I agree. It's a bit like saying that a rape victim was promiscuous, with the implication that they somehow deserved what happened to them.

I don't care about George Floyd's character. He was not on trial. It isn't relevant to the case.

Well at the time this verdict was made a 15 year old black teen has been shot dead by police in Columbus, Ohio.
Apparently she had a knife, but 15!