Derek Chauvin

[x2boys]

Derek Chauvin found guilty of all charges ,this is the right verdict imo,having watched the trial

[TustedFormula]

Ah OK, just seen the useful screen shot above, so that makes perfect sense. UK headlines that he has been conviced of "murder" are perhaps not helpful when it means something different here?

Will there be a fall out in terms of police action? They must be furious.

[Roussette]

Of course the right verdict. I watched all the trial. There were many twists and turns but when Chauvin's Police force said he was wrong in what he did (his Chief of Police, training officer and 3 others testified) it could be no other verdict than this.

Derek Chauvin wasn't convicted for the murder of George Floyd because racism is over or because the justice system now works. It happened because the establishment feared the consequences of protecting their own, this time. The conviction stood out against decades of impunity for most police excessive-force cases

[toffeebutterpopcorn]

I remember the case of the woman shot in her PJs after she called the police about a suspected intruder in her home. She came out to meet the police car and was shot. There wasn’t much in the media about this - police cameras were turned off and the officers suspended (I don’t know what happened to them).

Are the police trained enough?

[TustedFormula]

I'm sad to say that when this case first gained publicity my DH was very much, "don't give the police lip, don't do drugs and you'll be fine."We had a very heated discussion about it. As it happens DS1 was going to the pub that evening. I said "so, if DS drinks too much tonight, gets a bit lairy with police, he deserves to die?" That did seem to hot home to DH, he actually cried! DH eventually saw the error of his ways and removed all his right wing American gaming friends from his FB and is very pleased with this verdict, but it's easy to see how "reasonable" people formed these views. Poor Black Americans are seen as a threat different to other young people

[LemonRoses]

[quote Veterinari]@LemonRoses
suniscoming is victim blaming Sheku Bayoh, the British black man smothered to death by a 6 police officers in Scotland after discarding a knife he'd picked up during an MDMA psychosis, and whilst unarmed

[/quote]
Thanks Vetinari.
Kneeling on someone’s neck or smothering someone is clearly unacceptable to all except the most extreme far right, pro-white supremacy types.

[Veterinari]

@SteveArnottsCodeine

That was in response to *@Veterinari* about the Sheku Bayoh case. Sorry, it didn’t quote.

Yes it is. Interesting isn't it how we're so quick to condemn the US police when there's pretty clear evidence our own police forces have similar systemic issues resulting in the deaths of people who are BAME

Maybe we should get our own house in order rather that criticising others. No one seems to be starting threads for British victims of police brutality

[EvilOnion]

George Floyd may have committed crimes in the past but none of his convictions carried a death penalty.

George Floyd's previous actions are not relevant to his murder.

Chauvin did this with others standing by and doing nothing. They are the criminals in this case.

Appeals will be lodged because of the notoriety of his crimes, he could never have received a "fair" trial in the eyes of the law but for now, a small piece of justice has been served.

[SpnBaby1967]

I think we can all agree that GF was no angel. He was a robber, a drug dealer, attacked a pregnant woman and was using fake money but even so, he didn't deserve to die during his lawful arrest.

I think we also need to realise that no other verdict other than guilty was possible. Could you imagine the riots and outrage if he'd been found not guilty. That will be the basis of his appeal he will undoubtedly make, that his trial was a trial by media and he didnt get a fair trial.

I'm glad he was found guilty, he 100% should have been. But he was on trial for every black man/woman killed by police whether we want to believe that or not.

[intheenddoesitreallymatter]

@SunIsComing

Maybe not walking around with knives would help.

He could have been waving a knife round like a lunatic but you still don’t kill him.

You detain him in custody and bring him in for trial. That’s how justice should work.

If they thought he was armed (which he wasn’t) they should have tasered him, handcuffed him and searched him.

Not knelt on his neck until he suffocated.

We protect the rights of everyone, including criminals because if we only uphold the human rights of a minority what happens next?

[DuncinToffee]

@LoisWilkersonslastnerve

This only happened because a member of the public videoed it, it's frightening to think Derek Chauvin, a man with 22 previous complaints against him, would otherwise still be out there. The US police needs a complete overhaul.

Reminder how Minneapolis initially reported the death of George Floyd

twitter.com/chrisvanderveen/status/1384616345262776322?s=21

[GelfBride]

The fact that the bystanders all stayed on the sidewalk instead of pushing Chauvin off of Floyd tells us how the USA is policed. They knew they would take a bullet if they stepped in.

[skirk64]

My takeaway from the recent police killings in America is simple - always comply with police instructions.

George Floyd would still be alive if he hadn't resisted.
Rayshard Brooks would still be alive if he hadn't resisted grabbed an officer's taser and run off.
Daunte Wright would still be alive if he hadn't resisted, got back into his car and driven away.
Adam Toledo would still be alive if he had not run away in an attempt to hide his firearm before surrendering.

That doesn't mean officers shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. But the common denominator in these fatal shootings is that the person killed did not comply with the instructions of the police. In most/all of those cases, the alleged crimes were fairly minor. Argue your case down the police station, argue it in court, don't argue with the officer pointing a gun at you.

[paralysedbyinertia]

And another fucking victim blamer @skirk64. Shame on you.

[TustedFormula]

@skirk64

My takeaway from the recent police killings in America is simple - always comply with police instructions.

George Floyd would still be alive if he hadn't resisted.
Rayshard Brooks would still be alive if he hadn't resisted grabbed an officer's taser and run off.
Daunte Wright would still be alive if he hadn't resisted, got back into his car and driven away.
Adam Toledo would still be alive if he had not run away in an attempt to hide his firearm before surrendering.

That doesn't mean officers shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. But the common denominator in these fatal shootings is that the person killed did not comply with the instructions of the police. In most/all of those cases, the alleged crimes were fairly minor. Argue your case down the police station, argue it in court, don't argue with the officer pointing a gun at you.

Oh dear. Isn't this exactly the problem? The black people involved all know this, but they also know there's no justice in America for poor black people, so it's a risk they feel they have to take. They may know they're only guilty of a minor crime (or no crime at all) but they don't know that they will be treated fairly by the system.

[EvilOnion]

@shirk64, those are the cases that are reported because people like you will buy into the narrative that their death was their own doing.

Show me the cases (multiple, regularly occuring rather than isolated please) where white people were killed for daring to say no to a police officer then you might have a point.

[SylvieHortensis]

I've been looking at the statistics and police violence in the states seems to be rampant. There have been 316 killings by police in the USA this year so far

God who'd be a cop in the US? It must attract a certain kind of person (generalising here) who can either put up with the pressures of that job or gets off on it.

I've just watched the bodycam of GF's arrest (before the kneeling-killing). He was a huge, muscular, deranged man who wouldn't get into the back of the car despite the officers repeatedly assuring him they would open a window.

How do you deal with that? Obviously not by suffocating the poor bugger but it's not a job I'd willingly take on for any salary

Would you?

Not blaming GF for his death or exonerating his killer before anyone kicks off.

[DetMcNulty]

Shouldn't we expect the police to follow their training instead? People panic, have had shitty experiences (particularly as young black men) with the police, may have mental health problems, are 13(!!!) years old and not mature or fully able to anticipate consequences. The police should be trained and able to perform their duties. Have you seen the way those 2 police spoke to the black army lieutenant, they told him he should be scared to get out the car, while at the same time shouting at him for not complying.

Look up Daniel Shaver and what happened to him, complying all the way and still shot. Breanna Taylor, Tamir Rice are some more examples.

[JustFrustrated]

@skirk64

My takeaway from the recent police killings in America is simple - always comply with police instructions.

George Floyd would still be alive if he hadn't resisted.
Rayshard Brooks would still be alive if he hadn't resisted grabbed an officer's taser and run off.
Daunte Wright would still be alive if he hadn't resisted, got back into his car and driven away.
Adam Toledo would still be alive if he had not run away in an attempt to hide his firearm before surrendering.

That doesn't mean officers shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. But the common denominator in these fatal shootings is that the person killed did not comply with the instructions of the police. In most/all of those cases, the alleged crimes were fairly minor. Argue your case down the police station, argue it in court, don't argue with the officer pointing a gun at you.

Then you're dimwitted and a victim blamer to boot.

Just take a quick look anywhere and you'll see teenage girls, enjoying some music and sat down with their friends being grabbed and dragged across the ground for no reason.

Breonna Taylor, a medic, who was sleeping when the police broke into her home and shot her dead .... For having an ex boyfriend who dealt/did drugs.

The 15 year old girl, who called the police for help and was shot and killed as a result....

None of that required any extensive searching. And I also can't see how "they resisted"
And remember, these officers don't have to stand trial for their crimes, they write any old bullshit as seen above, and no one does a goddamn thing.

[LoisWilkersonslastnerve]

dunkin That is absolutely shocking If they did nothing wrong, why no mention of the restrain in the report! Speaks volumes.
What people defending DC seem to be missing is that the police should not use excessive force to point of suffocating someone, who George Floyd was as a person is irrelevant and I can't understand the constant bleating on about how he was a criminal etc I remember when Jean Charles De Menenzes was shot, okay it was a clear accident but people kept banging on about him being an illegal immigrant It doesn't matter!

[toffeebutterpopcorn]

[quote EvilOnion]@shirk64, those are the cases that are reported because people like you will buy into the narrative that their death was their own doing.

Show me the cases (multiple, regularly occuring rather than isolated please) where white people were killed for daring to say no to a police officer then you might have a point.[/quote]
I’m sure there are cases - the police seem trigger happy and almost jumpy (the woman I mentioned earlier was white, the policeman was black and she was in her pyjamas asking for help).

[EvilOnion]

Not blaming GF for his death or exonerating his killer before anyone kicks off.

This is the new "I'm not racist but..."

[paralysedbyinertia]

Shouldn't we expect the police to follow their training instead? People panic, have had shitty experiences (particularly as young black men) with the police, may have mental health problems, are 13(!!!) years old and not mature or fully able to anticipate consequences. The police should be trained and able to perform their duties.

Yes, exactly.

[LoisWilkersonslastnerve]

I'm surprised to read in some cases we read about suspects being shot whilst running away?! If you can't catch someone, put a warrant out, don't shoot them dead fgs.

[PumpkinWitch]

@LoisWilkersonslastnerve

This only happened because a member of the public videoed it, it's frightening to think Derek Chauvin, a man with 22 previous complaints against him, would otherwise still be out there. The US police needs a complete overhaul.

Yes and she was only 17 years old too. What courage. It really should not have come down to this. He should have been removed from office before he was allowed to do this.

I was relieved of the verdict. I hope the sentence reflects the severity of the crime.