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My 16yo DS and his girlfriend (Part 2)

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workworkworkugh · 19/04/2021 13:22

Just opening a new thread as I believe the other one is getting full.
Will try and link the old one

OP posts:
Bythemillpond · 23/04/2021 21:04

We have also spoken about how she could get nasty and claim that he has sexually assaulted her or coerced her into doing something
DS assures me that he has a clear conscience in that regards in that he has never forced/coerced her into doing anything she didn't want to
So if it were to come to that, we of course would have his back

I don’t know the law where you are but isn’t it immaterial that your ds has or hasn't coerced her. She is under age and so I would have thought that she couldn’t give her consent even if she wanted to IYSWIM

BlueDahlia69 · 23/04/2021 21:16

I don’t know the law where you are but isn’t it immaterial that your ds has or hasn't coerced her. She is under age and so I would have thought that she couldn’t give her consent even if she wanted to IYSWIM

jesus christ 🙄

Aprilshowersandhail · 23/04/2021 21:21

I have posted a few times upthread... I have a spooky update...
Nearly 2 years have passed since my ds escaped the clutches of such a mad cow. Although she was 30 +.
Today I received a card and flowers hoping we can now be friends!!
Shock
Am thinking she has seen this thread...
Op be careful nothing personal gets back to the ones involved in this thread.. More stress you can do without.

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Staffy1 · 23/04/2021 21:43

I don't know how you can just brush aside the fact that your son thinks it's ok to see someone that hates you to the point of asking why he doesn't kill you as you are the big problem. I would find that extremely hurtful as if I were in his position that would have been the last time I ever spoke to or saw that nasty piece of work again. It sounds a bit like she is not the only one who could do with counselling. As your son tells you the nasty things she does, but keeps going back to her, are you sure he's not bad-mouthing you to her and playing you against each other?

GingerAndTheBiscuits · 24/04/2021 00:57

I understand your reservations too OP, especially as your son is already so emotionally entangled in this relationship to his detriment. There’s no harm in treading lightly, it doesn’t preclude you taking further action if it becomes necessary.

BlueDahlia69 · 24/04/2021 02:37

the injunction would leave a footprint of behaviour.

if this goes unreported, chances are she will breeze through life controlling partners, and nothing can be proven.

you could help those future victims by leaving a footprint.

obviously your decision OP, but just a thought. 🌸

Rollmopsrule · 24/04/2021 04:02

Yorkshirehillbilly I'm wondering what the relevance of the girl being an only child is? Can you elaborate?

Faultymain5 · 24/04/2021 08:56

@Rollmopsrule

Yorkshirehillbilly I'm wondering what the relevance of the girl being an only child is? Can you elaborate?
I think we all know “only children are [fit whatever negative stereotype you wish here]”. Much better to scroll than derail.
DustCentral · 24/04/2021 09:12

@Faultymain5 I think it’s always worth a de-rail if someone’s negatively stereotyping an entire group of people for no reason at all. It’s not ok to silently scroll & accept it.

Faultymain5 · 24/04/2021 09:30

I disagree on this particular thread. The issue being discussed is way more important than an opportunity to correct someone for their stereotypes. If anyone feels so strongly they can easily DM. But you know, you do you. Here endeth my derailSmile

DustCentral · 24/04/2021 10:28

@Faultymain5

I disagree on this particular thread. The issue being discussed is way more important than an opportunity to correct someone for their stereotypes. If anyone feels so strongly they can easily DM. But you know, you do you. Here endeth my derailSmile
I disagree too. It doesn’t help to infer that these girls are the way they are because they’re only children. That’s very relevant to this thread as not only is it wrong but it’s certainly not ‘why’ they are the way they are. Whilst the OP is looking for advise on how to handle a situation, misunderstanding the reasons behind the girls behaviour is not helpful. Assigning it as part of being an only child is wrong and advice should include calling out wrong information given too, especially for anyone rise reading who may be suffering a similar issue.
DustCentral · 24/04/2021 10:29

*else not rise

BlueDahlia69 · 24/04/2021 13:43

I believe OP's son is seeing his girlfriend this weekend.

SofiaMichelle · 24/04/2021 15:26

[quote Daria10]@mealsonwheelz
Your son NEEDS YOU to model the behaviour that this situation is unacceptable. Without that you'll all fudge along until the next crisis and drama.

This!!! I totally agree with you.

I remember when I was a teenager and getting angry and sometimes being very rude with my mum/dad etc. This was never allowed. I was being punished on the spot for lack of respect shown towards my parents.
E.g - no more money for going out with my friends, not allowed to go to parties, help them with work, for a fixed period of time grounded and not allowed to see my friends etc.

As I said before, I can't imagine having these teenagers' freedom, money and pampered life whilst at the same time acting in such a terrible way.
eg. He's 16 and his parents have to beg for a simple family dinner?! WTF?! Is he living a hotel or in his parents' home who pay for everything?!

And yes I would be more worried for his life as a future grown-up that will need to pay his bills instead of worrying that he'll pull a tantrum because I punished his behaviour. Better to be punished by me NOW whilst he's still a kid and I can protect him then to be punished later in life by the society because I wasn't capable to teach him what responsibility really is.[/quote]
Exactly @Daria10

I would not have dared to behave as OP is allowing her DS to.

My parents were lovely and would certainly never have laid a finger on me but I would have been absolutely torn to shreds in terms of other punishments for this sort of behaviour at 16.

ToTheMoonAndBack78 · 24/04/2021 21:28

I agree with Pps you need to make a stand and show that this is unacceptable behaviour from her and your son. So what if he's angry and upset he's a child not an adult. Cut his financial freedom off, explain the consequences for his and her actions and that your family will not be held to ransom by her. Disgusting attitude and behaviour by her parents too. 😡 I'd be furious with rage and honestly would have quietly and discreetly given her a fair piece of my mind one to one. She would be under no illusion who she is dealing with. Let your DH go nuclear, maybe it's what they and your son need to see. How people who love one another care and don't manipulate, bully or abuse each other. Let alone threaten to kill. Kick her to the kerb and stand up for your son and yourselves, you are his parents, you can be his friend later in life. Good luck Flowers

Yorkshirehillbilly · 24/04/2021 21:31

Being an only child was relevant in that family. I’m not suggesting it’s a cause of this behaviour or there is anything wrong with being an only child. It was relevant because the girl had social anxiety, wouldn’t mix at school with anyone other than my son, and also didn’t have siblings at home to do social stuff with. So the parents included my ds in their ‘family’ events from the start in a way that felt too much given their ages. We encouraged ds to bring her home to meet us and she was welcome in our home but we didn’t immediately absorb her into the family like you would if your dc had been dating someone seriously for a long while. We wouldn’t have invited her to our house daily. It felt a lot too soon from the parents. Ds has siblings close in age so I don’t feel the need to suggest they bring friends to family events or on holidays which many people with only children do. Not intending to upset anyone but I think it was a factor why her parents encouraged it.

DustCentral · 24/04/2021 21:55

DD is an only as am I. We don’t have social anxiety. Nor do only children automatically miss siblings to do social stuff with as we are often very happy in our own company as we don’t miss what we don’t have. We wouldn’t invite friends into family events like that. That’s their strange dynamic and not one that applies to all onlys. Whilst her parents may have encouraged unhealthy boundaries too soon, that’s not caused by being an only child. If anything we are more likely to want other people to piss off as we’re more used to less people in the house. You encountered a weird family but please don’t let that put you off us onlys as many of us are perfectly normal.

fargo123 · 24/04/2021 23:15

We have also spoken about how she could get nasty and claim that he has sexually assaulted her or coerced her into doing something. DS assures me that he has a clear conscience in that regards in that he has never forced/coerced her into doing anything she didn't want to. So if it were to come to that, we of course would have his back

It's completely irrelevant as to whether he has/had coercred her or not (and I don't believe he has. If anything she'd be the one doing the coercing/manipulating). All this psycho has to do is SAY he coercred her and his life will change irrevocably in a second. Mud like that sticks, and he'll be tainted by that forever, no matter how much he pleads his innocence.

You are doing your son a huge a huge disservice by not getting that restraining order.

k1233 · 25/04/2021 00:13

I think you need to have a final conversation with your son. Outline very succinctly your concerns with the relationship - abuse, her controlling behaviour, not seeing his friends, missing out on fun with his friends, you missing your son, the very real possibility of her getting pregnant deliberately to make him feel he has to stay with her. If she has a baby, he'll have the joy of being tied to her for ever more. Give him resources about what a healthy relationship looks like.

Then say you're done. You are always there for him, but he doesn't want your input into his relationship and you will respect that. When he brings it up, respond very briefly - "that's nice dear" or "oh that's a shame". Don't buy into the drama and don't make any comments about her.

That doesn't mean you can't have rules and boundaries. It just means she becomes a non issue.

k1233 · 25/04/2021 00:23

I think the OP is correct with her concern that, if they come down hard, DS will move in with GFs family. That is a situation to avoid at all costs, as chance of pregnancy will skyrocket. They need to walk a fine line so he remains at home as it's the only opportunity he has for time away from her.

fearfulexchange · 25/04/2021 05:35

@workworkworkugh this is just completely awful and I can't believe how it's seems to have gone from bad to worse!
The most frustrating thing to see (mother of a teenage son) that if the shoe was on the other foot people (authorities) would react very differently.
I think you are doing completely the right thing, i have had some personal experience in this area and you just need to persevere. Quietly in the background (as to not cause YOUR son distress). Keep logging and reporting. I can see you are trying to be up front / honest to demonstrate your openness and willingness but that needs to go out the window.
Keep supporting your son and keep reporting his girlfriend to the authorities.
Her parents have created a monster and whilst it's easier for them to just let their daughter get on with it, that little madam is causing distress and harm to other people's lives and families.

The reason I'm telling you to keep reporting it (don't tell your son or his gf or her parents) because she is eventually going to get out of hand (whether to your son or another boy / man) she is going to do something really stupid or enlist someone to do it for her. With you logging it, it will show (when the time comes) there was a previous history.
Even if it's years from now and (hopefully) long after her relationship with your son.
But she will have another victim and who knows how it will end.

She is extremely dangerous, but as she is considered a child her parents are responsible to step in which they are not, which makes her even more dangerous in my view.

Keeping going, you're doing really well.

Nothing is going to change over night, your going to be in this for the long haul.
💐

Thamigumathacharaid · 25/04/2021 05:40

Agreed.

KarmaNoMore · 25/04/2021 07:36

OP, this thread is resonating with me a lot. It has left me thinking for days... My exh was a very selfish man, but he was never violent or down right nasty, we divorced in good terms and continued to be friends for a number of years.

So we split and found new partners, and rubbed along ok until he met
his current partner... Jesus, I do really think she is far from abusive and controlling, she has substantial psychopathic traits, traits that I can see in this girl. It is the constant manipulation, outright lies and the way she has managed to make a normal person become a broken shell of himself who is capable to hurt the people he loved to protect a relationship that is not under threat.

Nobody he knew before he met her is longer in contact with him, we all took the step back and let them be to avoid upsetting her and to avoid ex going in Romeo-Juliet mode. But nothing was enough, I immediately got out of the scene, but she insisted we shouldn’t communicate about DS at all as this was “proof” I wanted to break their relationship, she also hated DS to a point she tried consistently to hurt him. We saw exH go first from a normal confident man to be a very aggressive man defending a relationship from a threat that didn’t exist to the point I had to seek protection from police. What was really strange was that I was no longer communicating with him at all but she was still pushing him to hurt me. DS told me that when he was with his dad, she was constantly shouting at him “but why is this happening? Until she made him cry, yet she wouldn’t stop until he said that whatever was happening, was happening because of me.

We have no contact with ex at all, but from time to time people I know bump with him. I do my best to avoid talking about him as I fear him so much these conversations upset me, but there is a pattern on what people say, he looks like a broken man, the confident person he was is no more and although we have not communicated with him for years on end he is still claiming bitterly that we all are trying to destroy his relationship.

The big difference in this case is that exH is much older than your son, and I’m pretty sure she will not try to kill him as he is the hen that lays the golden eggs, nothing could have been done to “protect” him from her. Your kid is 16, there are things that you can do and I can assure you whatever you do is going to damage the relationship you have with your kid, so forget about how your relationship is going to be impacted and focus on protecting your family from this psychopath.

She is not a lost girl that needs to find her way, counselling has no effect in these people, they are what they are, if anything she will use that counselling to build a case against you.

Your main focus should be not saving the relationship you have with your son, that will be gone whatever you do or stop doing, your focus should be to keep yourself, your son and the whole of the family safe by accepting all the police protection available and stop handing him to her in a plate, she will destroy him no matter how much you stay out of the way to keep her happy.

itsgettingwierd · 25/04/2021 07:58

That text alone is scary.

I think you re doing well and sound extremely drained and unsure what's best.

You're right there is 2 sets of advice here and some people demand you do what they say yesterday.

I can't give advice because I've not experienced this with a child but I can tell you when you are in abusive relationship being gaslighted you do pretend it isn't happening because it's easier.

I think following the advice of posters saying step back is best. Hopefully the your ds will see that when you aren't involved - and she's still blaming you - that it's her driving this.

AliceMcK · 25/04/2021 15:14

@Bythemillpond

We have also spoken about how she could get nasty and claim that he has sexually assaulted her or coerced her into doing something DS assures me that he has a clear conscience in that regards in that he has never forced/coerced her into doing anything she didn't want to So if it were to come to that, we of course would have his back

I don’t know the law where you are but isn’t it immaterial that your ds has or hasn't coerced her. She is under age and so I would have thought that she couldn’t give her consent even if she wanted to IYSWIM

Apparently where they are it isn’t an issue of statutory rape as their ages are less than 2 years apart.
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