Paddy McGuinness

[percheron67]

I switched BBC 1 on early and am waiting for Casualty. The programme on at the moment is hosted AGAIN by Paddy McGuinness. He is rarely off the screen and I cannot understand it! He has a simply dreadful dialect and will keep sounding a hard G in singing. Apart from that he yells at the top of his (Very unattractive) voice. How on earth does this man keep a job on television?

@Banville

I think the singing thing has been pretty well explained.

No it hasn't. I'm a northerner and sing-er and fing-er and sing-ger and fing-ger all result in the same sound whether said in my head or out loud.

From birth you adopt the accents and phonics around you. In my accent finger, singer, ringer, linger etc, they all rhyme and all have a hard G. I would have to hear what you mean to figure out what you meant, and even then I may not hear the sounds the way you do.

@Giantrooster

Foreigner here, I can't understand why you would choose two hosts with thick thick accents/dialects for a worldwide broadcasted programme. Doesn't make it easier to understand.

I think English is quite lovely when spoken well, and I know there should be room for various dialects, but the new top gear really is an abomination to listen to.

Ehhh? Most British people speak with some sort of accent!!!

I don't watch any of the dating shows, like that waiting on casualty last week he was on, I was surprised he was grey and aged, it was years since I saw him.
I enjoyed Max and Paddy. I love Peter Kay they'd be great as a double act again. Ant and Dec are everywhere they're boring.

No it hasn't. I'm a northerner and sing-er and fing-er and sing-ger and fing-ger all result in the same sound whether said in my head or out loud.

This. It hasn’t been explained to my understanding at all, and I’ve read each explanation.

actually have a crush on the dark haired Paddy

Agree. He's a good presenter and host. He made 'Take me out' funny, in the end he was carrying it.

The t.v. show he presents just now is, 'I can see your voice' it took me a little while to get into it but once I realised what was what I'm hooked.

Shame he has to co-host with bloody Amanda Holden, nasty smug little bitch she is. I think it's great that a t.v. talent show judge like her is appearing on this show, and playing second fiddle to the real host.

Never been much of a fan of Jimmy Carr either.

Alison Hammond is great. She talks a lot of sense.

It's up against an alternative show hosted by Vernon Kay but the premise is the same and the catch phrase is virtually identical !

I don’t mind him. I remember him and his wife on million pound drop some years back. She was brilliant. Clearly a very intelligent woman

I can’t stand accent snobbery.

@Franklyyes

Saw him live at a local theatre - he really wasn’t funny. Also Find it odd that his wife regularly posts lingerie photos and then talks about challenges with their children with asd

My god, what should she be doing? She's been very good at highlighting the issues that they have looking after their 3 children, doesn't gloss over it and present some perfect life. She can wear what the hell she wants

I'm a northerner and sing-er and fing-er and sing-ger and fing-ger all result in the same sound whether said in my head or out loud.

If you speak with an accent similar to the one we are discussing, then trying to work out the difference that way really isn't going to work.

Try listening to how someone else pronounces it instead.

www.google.com/search?q=how+to+pronounce+singing&oq=how+to+pronounce+singing&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j0i30j0i8i30l2.13119j0j4&client=ms-unknown&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

@TheresAnEyeInMeSoup but surely you're familiar with accents other than your own?? Singer and finger don't rhyme in my accent but I've travelled about, I've watched TV, listened to the radio and as such am pretty familiar with accents that are very different to mine. For instance I know exactly what you mean with regard to singer and finger.

Request leave to travel beyond your city walls!

I don't get the 'singing' pronunciation thing either.

@LizBennet

No it hasn't. I'm a northerner and sing-er and fing-er and sing-ger and fing-ger all result in the same sound whether said in my head or out loud.

This. It hasn’t been explained to my understanding at all, and I’ve read each explanation.

Have you ever left your home village?

@TheresAnEyeInMeSoup same! But I’m in the Midlands- so I guess we’re more north, as we’re not South East.
Finger, single, singer all have the same g sound in the middle. I’m not going to start googling alternative pronunciations so I’ll accept that there is a different way that I just hadn’t considered before.
My 5 year old was dropping the t in a word the other day, bottle maybe, and I corrected him, slowly snd loudly emphasising every sound. I’d probably do the same if he started dropping g sounds from singing or finger.

Better than bloody exaggerated East End. Why you would get someone to present a programme called ‘the wall’ which involves balls when they are unable to pronounce Wall or ball is beyond me. Unwatchable.

@LizBennet Same 🤷🏻‍♀️I don’t understand how he’s saying it wrong.

Also hate accent snobbery

@Giantrooster - I wholeheartedly disagree with you and find your comment unreasonably classist.

There should be more presenters with regional accents on British TV, not less. Received Pronunciation is generally used by the privileged and they’ve already got enough in their favour. It doesn’t represent the country.

@percheron67 Accent snobbery at its finest there.... Doesn't pronounce something like you so he must be wrong.....
I am from the North West (although about as far from Bolton as it's possible to get within the region) and also pronounce the hard g in singing. Maybe you should learn to be a lot less judgemental.

Have you ever left your home village?

No, I’ve never left the cave I was born in.

@Banville Rude much.

I’m originally from Manchester way and have lived around the world in various countries for 18 years. I definitely left my home village and have been introduced to a range of accents and different languages. I still don’t get it.

This thread has inspired me to no longer tone down my Bolton accent. I live at the other side of greater Manchester now which has a very different accent and I got fed up of having to repeat myself so I toned it down. You either like it or lump it from now on.

[quote elenacampana]@Giantrooster - I wholeheartedly disagree with you and find your comment unreasonably classist.

There should be more presenters with regional accents on British TV, not less. Received Pronunciation is generally used by the privileged and they’ve already got enough in their favour. It doesn’t represent the country.[/quote]
Quite! (And I said that in the Queen’s accent from The Crown)

So - some people pronounce a g sound twice in the middle. Sing-ger. Like Paddy. Some people don't. Sing-er.

The rhyming explanation and single explanation will only help people that don't pronounce it twice. That helps them hear the difference based on how they pronounce it. It obviously won't help if you already pronounce it the way that people are trying to describe.

standardised pronunciation

Has everyone gone mad???

MN usually so hot on rights and fairness etc but - what the actual fuck here?????

Having a Bolton accent is no less valid than having a bloody BBC accent!

I can't believe what I'm hearing. I am so stupid - I thought prejudice against the north was a myth. (Sorry, Dad - you were right!! 😥)

Leave Paddy alone! Would you mock a foreigner for their accent?!!

[quote Banville]@TheresAnEyeInMeSoup but surely you're familiar with accents other than your own?? Singer and finger don't rhyme in my accent but I've travelled about, I've watched TV, listened to the radio and as such am pretty familiar with accents that are very different to mine. For instance I know exactly what you mean with regard to singer and finger.

Request leave to travel beyond your city walls![/quote]
Well that's offensive. I'm pretty good at picking out accents and regions thank you very much and have family dotted around the uk with different accents. I dont need some random on MN to tell me different accents exist 😂😂

You said the singer thing had been explained well and I did I disagree. If I heard singer in YOUR accent, theres a fair to good chance I won't pick out the subtleties that are the the difference between sing-er and sing-ger (nope, still the same when I say in my head) because of how my ears have been trained to hear phonetics from the very virtue of growing up in a northern town surrounded by northern people.

Fyi, my mother isn't even from the north west, let alone this country so she doesn't even have my accent at all. Take your judgement elsewhere.

How are people not getting the g thing, it isn't rocket science?!?!

Dermot is the best though. (And not because of his accent.)