Would you trust someone with these convictions?

[goodbyeyellowbrick]

Would you trust a female who at age 17 got these two convictions -

• breach of the peace domestic
• assault to injury domestic

And then at 19 got these two convictions -

• communications act domestic
• drink driving

Would you trust her? She is 30 now and has had no issues with the law since and has seemed to turn her life around. Would you still think she was the same person though inherently?

@goodbyeyellowbrick

She was in a toxic relationship, they both would hit each other and every conviction alcohol was involved. She is obviously no longer with him and he had no further toxic relationships.

That sounds like adequate explanation to me, especially when you look at her age.

When do convictions become spent in Scotland? Eleven years is a long time. Have these shown up on a DBS? What’s she applying for?

Yes I would. The convictions were a long time ago and she was a teenager at the time, teenagers constantly do silly things and make mistakes. I don’t think any of us deserve to be judged and vilified for the rest of our lives based on silly mistakes we made at 17. Before anyone jumps on me, I don’t mean heinous crimes such as murder. The fact she has had no brushes with the law since speaks volumes, she’s clearly matured and changed.

If all her convictions relate to alcohol, I'd probably trust her if she was teetotal.

The drink driving one is the one I would have the most concerns over.

The rest of them are domestic, which as you say a toxic situation can cause.

But the drink driving is a serious error of judgement that really everyone knows not to do?

Annoying drip feed, but I'd give her the benefit of the doubt considering her last offence was what..11 years ago. People can and do change.

When the conviction is spent here depends on its disposal. Some will never count as spent for a PVG which is why I asked.

I probably wouldn’t leave my baby or a vulnerable person with her but would trust her with some things.

Is PVG same as DBS @RJnomore1 ?

Sorry, just interested.

@goodbyeyellowbrick if you’re employing this person do you want pointing to an HR resource? OTOH if it’s you, do you want pointing to an HR resource?

@RickiTarr

When do convictions become spent in Scotland? Eleven years is a long time. Have these shown up on a DBS? What’s she applying for?

15 years for over 18’s and half of that, I think, for convictions committed by under 18’s. However, for some posts, spent convictions must be declared and I would be surprised if SW isn’t one of them.

Teenagers can be complete knob heads but most grow out of it. So no, I wouldn't judge them.

Also my dp has a conviction for affray, pretty serious but what isn't listed is the fact he'd stupidly gone after a gang of lads who'd attacked his sister and beat her black and blue with a piece of wood. His could be proven, sadly the other couldn't. Things aren't black and white. And people are human.

no

and all the posters making excuses "oh she was soo young"

I was married with a baby at age 19. Its an adult. A person does not change THAT much in personality over the years.

It’s a bit different Ricki. It’s the protection of vulnerable groups scheme; you become a Scheme member and your employer accesses you’re record if the role meets the requirements of the scheme.

Your employer would then get updates if you had another conviction for example.

But being able to join the scheme does not mean someone would employ you. It just means you aren’t disbarred from working with vulnerable people. The employers HR risk matrix then assessed using the info on your record.

In this case, it’s more than offense, over a range of types of offending, exacerbated by alcohol and including domestic violence. It would be a hard sell. The only thing in favour is the length of time since the last offence.

The sentencing can indicate how serious the offence was too and is on the record and very relevant to the end decision.

I used to work in HR, and honestly it’s the people who made stupid mistakes in their youth but are nice people who get far more worked up about a minor criminal record. Shady characters with alarming criminal records are blasé.

I’ve occasionally referred people to www.unlock.org.uk/ for advice. I can’t speed read fast enough to be sure they cover Scotland but ring their helpline and they will signpost you onwards if not.

More than ONE offence

If working with vulnerable people than all convictions will appear on a DBS.

@RJnomore1

It’s a bit different Ricki. It’s the protection of vulnerable groups scheme; you become a Scheme member and your employer accesses you’re record if the role meets the requirements of the scheme.

Your employer would then get updates if you had another conviction for example.

But being able to join the scheme does not mean someone would employ you. It just means you aren’t disbarred from working with vulnerable people. The employers HR risk matrix then assessed using the info on your record.

In this case, it’s more than offense, over a range of types of offending, exacerbated by alcohol and including domestic violence. It would be a hard sell. The only thing in favour is the length of time since the last offence.

The sentencing can indicate how serious the offence was too and is on the record and very relevant to the end decision.

Oh okay that’s quite different then. More like list 99 or whatever we call it down here.

15 years for over 18’s and half of that, I think, for convictions committed by under 18’s. However, for some posts, spent convictions must be declared and I would be surprised if SW isn’t one of them.

Harsh.

The 15 years thing isn’t true. It depends on firstly the actual offence and secondly the sentencing.

Why are people asking "Is this you, OP?"

Does it matter? Would it change your opinion if it was? Clearly OP is given the info they want to give without divulging who it is.

I’d be wary, not going to lie.

As for being a social worker well I know a guy who has a lengthy list of convictions. From drug related offences to theft to assault.

He got clean, sorted his head out and became a drug support worker. He now works in a children's home, his past is seen as a positive.

@hazeleyedlady

no

and all the posters making excuses "oh she was soo young"

I was married with a baby at age 19. Its an adult. A person does not change THAT much in personality over the years.

Organisational policies aren’t often mu more lenient on minor convictions committed while intoxicated if the issues are now in the past.

What kind of society do you want? The kind where teenagers cock up and are then unemployable forever?

@IRelateToViewpointsNotPeople

Why are people asking "Is this you, OP?"

Does it matter? Would it change your opinion if it was? Clearly OP is given the info they want to give without divulging who it is.

I asked to be encouraging and offer resources.

Go and set up a forum to moderate if you have such a burning urge to control what other people say.

I wouldn't "trust" her just as I wouldn't blindly trust anyone just because they haven't been caughtdon't have a record. Always cautious, me.

Anyway, it would depend on the details and current circumstances. I'll give her a chance, to find out.

Gosh! Easy there tiger! Wasn't trying to police anything and i actually didn't see your name as i was reading, just noticed so many people asking. Calm down.