Union Flag

[LowlandLucky]

For once i am shocked into silence, just read that there are calls for Morrisons supermarket to be boycotted because the have products in Union flag packaging. It would seem somewimps people are so pathetic that the feel "intimidated" by our countries flag. FFS what a bloody feeble nation Britain has become, it is not as though we wrap goods in a Swastika. If the Union flag is so scary bugger off and live somewhere else, just make sure their flag is not a naughty one.

Sorry for typos🤦

@XDownwiththissortofthingX also your hypocritical as you say not to mention something that was 80 years ago and then go on to mention some things that were 100 of years ago

@worriedatthemoment no I'm not proud of the Scottish flag, why would I be?

I said that Britain was involved in colonialism, not england. I have also addressed in several posts in this thread the fact that I did not say that Britain was the only nation with a colonial past. I have explicitly stated that most western nation states have such a past.

I'm Irish and if faced with two supermarket products that were more or less the same but one had the Union Jack on it, i would actively choose the product without the flag. The Union Jack feels aggressive to me. If i go to Northern Ireland i am conscious of my accent (dublin) and would not go into a cafe or pub that had any evidence of a Union Jack or British sounding name.

When i bought my double buggy years ago i immediately cut off the Union Jack flag that was sewn onto the fabric. (Must have been British made, can’t remember).

Why are Brots so obsessed with ww2👀

@SchrodingersImmigrant no one did do that i think its a photoshop
As it describes carrots but the picture is bananas and pretty sure we all know we don't / can't grow them in the uk

@pourqouimoi so at what stage do you suggest we move on ? There prob isn't a country in the world that has not done anything wrong

[quote worriedatthemoment]@SchrodingersImmigrant no one did do that i think its a photoshop
As it describes carrots but the picture is bananas and pretty sure we all know we don't / can't grow them in the uk[/quote]
Oh I know the bananas are photoshopped 😁 I am sure that was made in reply to "shop British" group.

@worriedatthemoment although I would point out it was England which made a colony of Ireland. You can see why someone Irish (or specifically, Catholic in NI or Irish Catholic in places like Glasgow with a history of sectarianism) might not enjoy seeing a British flag waved about...

@XDownwiththissortofthingX we didn't do any of the other things you mention on our own either

this somehow makes our participation any less of a disgrace? the fact we're gullible and pliable enough to allow ourselves to be led into these things by other nations?

And please don't insult all those that lost their lives fighting in world war 11 etc many of them very young men , of course we fought to protect ourselves as well but a combination helped defeat it and many sacrificed their lives

I haven't 'insulted' anyone. Just utter bemusement at the continued fetishisation of events that happened well before the vast bulk of us were even alive.

Come on, Britain had one of the biggest empires in the world and we still have the commonwealth etc. The empire was still around within living memory and many Britons are pretty ignorant of what went on and it's legacies (I am a history teacher so I speak from.experience) Why do I have to be "proud" of the place where I live and take delight in a flag other people outside of Britain Have good cause to find offensive?

@pourqouimoi but how long to we all have to expect to pay for what others did
I won't say my ancestors as im working class and my family were from workhouses etc so know we had nothing to do with any of these
Its the flag of uk to my knowledge no athlete from any nation has refused it when competing in olympics etc

@XDownwiththissortofthingX also your hypocritical as you say not to mention something that was 80 years ago and then go on to mention some things that were 100 of years ago

The things I mentioned are all events that have taken place since 1945. Post the War that is being claimed somehow rehabilitated the UK's reputation and cleansed it of past sins.

Argh ignore the bad grammar typing on a tiny phone and can't correct

Me not giving a fuck about the union jack and acknowledging that some people find it a distasteful reminder of colonial oppression is hardly "making you pay"

@pourqouimoi and countries can leave the commonwealth as some have
As a history teacher you must know the world was a different place then and if it wasn't us it would of been someone else or we would of been ruled
I don't take offence to the german flag because we fought them in 2 world wars , why would I , its history we have moved on.
You can't change history or erase it you can only learn from it

@pourqouimoi well you do give a fuck about it as you have clearly said
I just hope you aren't my childs history teacher if you believe that you can never learn and move on and that citizens born hundreds of years later should not be allowed to be proud of their country because of how others behaved many years ago
Its being flown in the uk, not putting it in other countries , british airways have had it on planes for years ( not even british owned )

I'm not trying to "erase" anything, im the one saying people do not have enough knowledge of the atrocities this country has committed.

The Germany the UK fought in two world wars did not use and was not represented by the current German flag. This has come up in this thread already.

The German flag at the time of WWI was a rehash of the old Prussian state flag, promptly binned. Nazi Germany had it's own flag, again promptly binned.

The UK is still proudly flying the exact same flag it's committed genocide, human rights abuses, colonial subjugation and exploitation under for centuries.

You have absolutely no reason to be offended at the current German flag because of two world wars.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@alibongo5 because maybe we are now trading as the uk and not the eu that would be a reason do you not think
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But you said earlier that it was a Covid thing not a Brexit thing? Make your mind up.

Jesus Christ I'm not saying we have to spend every minute of the day dwelling on it, I'm saying there are plenty of people out there who don't know or don't care about this aspect of our history. I'm not suggesting your kids have to spend day in day out self flagellating over it

@pourqouimoi many do but we can't change it and none if us were born and the vast majority of us will not even have ancestors who were part of it as its more a rich persons thing
My ancestors were poor im pretty confident they played no part

@alibongo5 i meant a covid thing with the briefings etc as i was sure they have been there a while

@Willow79 I agree there are still issues. But my teens hang out with kids who attend catholic and non-Dom schools. I find that mind blowing, that is something unimaginable to me as a child.

I also agree that the UK gov has some bizarre propaganda agenda with there plush to stick flags everywhere. Not sure why, because it can only backfire. There used to be an understanding at uk level to tread carefully to avoid inciting sectarianism but they dgaf anymore.

@alibongo5 just googled it and yes they were in first briefing