Union Flag

[LowlandLucky]

For once i am shocked into silence, just read that there are calls for Morrisons supermarket to be boycotted because the have products in Union flag packaging. It would seem somewimps people are so pathetic that the feel "intimidated" by our countries flag. FFS what a bloody feeble nation Britain has become, it is not as though we wrap goods in a Swastika. If the Union flag is so scary bugger off and live somewhere else, just make sure their flag is not a naughty one.

@Amortentia

I think any one saying they don't understand what the problem with the Union Flag have absolutely no experience of sectarianism. It might seem petty to some but It's like saying what's the problem with golly wogs, you either get it or you don't.

I wonder how many who say they live or were born in Scotland and don't have a problem come from the west side of the central belt. Things have improved in Glasgow but there plenty of places in its environs where sectarianism is very much still alive. Even the most staunch Unionist would be able to acknowledge why many people in the central belt hate the Union Flag and what it represents.

I'm from Glasgow and we still have plenty of issues with it.

The simply fact is the increase in the last couple of years of union jacks replacing Scottish flags on packaging is all part of the same marketing exercise displaying flags in the background of every interview and outside every official building. It is all part of the anti independence campaign

I see a Welsh PP saying similar above.

So all the posters complaining about Saltires and so on being removed from branding, is this a recent thing? Only the last time I was in Scotland they certainly were on produce. That was before the pandemic of course though so things may have changed. There are certainly plenty of dragons on the wrapped produce in my local supermarkets - though I buy plastic-free stuff almost exclusively these days, and rarely from a supermarket.

@worriedatthemoment

Oh not at all, I'm 100% on board with free speech and being able to voice an opinion. Yours just doesn't have to matter to me.
I only asked as you seem to have blown a gasket.

@Jurassicperk why reply then?
I found your post offensive or am i not allowed to be offended

[quote worriedatthemoment]@alibongo5 why is it embarrassing to fly a flag ? European countries often have lots of flags do you say the same there ? [/quote]
Because it's never been a natural thing in this country to have a flag propped up in the corner but is totally Government driven. If it's always been a thing in a country fair enough but in this country it never has been and is really really cringy.

@LemonRoses you believed a picture of bananas ?this thread has nothing to do with 40 hospitals etc
Plus the last year think we may of had other things to deal with

@LemonRoses

There is a very obvious carrot behind the "Tesco" branding. Who the hell would describe bananas as "crunchy"? Are you trolling or just gullible enough to believe everything you see on the internet?

And yet Tesco withdrew the carrots as a ‘mistake’. I do like to look at facts rather than hang fast to opinions without basis.

I’m not sure it’s me that is gullible. Where are the 40 new hospitals? Where is the oven- ready deal? Where is the borderless Ireland?

You just tried to claim that a bag of "British bananas" was genuine when it was a very obvious hoax. Crunchy orange bananas grown in fields indeed...

The carrots were grown in Britain and had Union Flag branding to match their status as "British carrots". Nothing wrong with that at all. Some clerk made an error (or a prank) and entered "grown in Spain" in the origin box on that batch but it doesn't change the fact that they were indeed British carrots and advertised as such.

So in neither case were Tesco promoting imports as "British produce", were they? No. If that's the best you can do...

@alibongo5 do you not think that is because we are fighting a pandemic and its all been about in this together etc
Its like a war but the enemy is covid , thats what I think a lot if its for and obviously trying to establish trading as a single country ( well 4 nations) again , trade deals will need to be made with the uk
Give it a few months and they will all disappear again

@alibongo5 euros etc soon so all individual flags will come out again

@LemonRoses

There is a very obvious carrot behind the "Tesco" branding. Who the hell would describe bananas as "crunchy"? Are you trolling or just gullible enough to believe everything you see on the internet?

And yet Tesco withdrew the carrots as a ‘mistake’. I do like to look at facts rather than hang fast to opinions without basis.

I’m not sure it’s me that is gullible. Where are the 40 new hospitals? Where is the oven- ready deal? Where is the borderless Ireland?

Facts or photoshop?

@worriedatthemoment "we are all in this together" includes the rest of the world not just the UK. Flying the flat for football is not at all the same thing as having it propped up in shot in Government broadcasts. It is becoming like Germany in the 30s.

@Babdoc

I live in Scotland and actively seek out and preferentially buy goods with a union flag on the packaging or a “Made in Britain” logo! It is my country’s flag, and we are all British. I cannot abide the SNP, their refusal to fly union flags, and their obsession with tearing our country apart. So I take great pleasure in displaying union flagged produce prominently in my trolley.

While avoiding anything with the Scottish flag, because you think Scotland shouldn't exist.

@alibongo5 no the all in this together is what was being said here when asking people to follow the rules
Other countries fly their flags all the time
We have just stepped away from the eu so are now trying to trade as the uk so its not a surprise it will be there
I have never known anyone moan about their flags and as I said in real life no one either of any nationality I only see it on here
A couple of us have been given them to cover books on bookshelf etc re : mp's but in general people just not that bothered not like how they are on here

Storm in a teacup this.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and (guess what!) in a free country everyone is entitled to their opinion on whether the Union Flag is their preferred flag or not, and whether or not they will buy or not buy a product that has it on.

The fact is, like it or not, it is this country’s flag.

Personally I think that to compare the government flying the flag to Germany in the 1930s is an insult to those who fought against fascism, racism and genocide, and an insult to the millions killed by the Nazis.

The flag may have a chequered past but surely what it stood for, and stood against in WW2 rehabilitated it?

That’s my opinion, and as this is a free country, you’re entitled to disagree with me.

** a couple of us have suggested jokingly that given to cover books that should of said

Morrisons are racist, you couldn't pay me to shop there, sorry.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@LemonRoses you believed a picture of bananas ?this thread has nothing to do with 40 hospitals etc
Plus the last year think we may of had other things to deal with [/quote]
It has everything to do with it. People just can’t or won’t look at the evidence and look to find every excuse possible for a corrupt government who took us out of the EU on false promises.

Pasting British bananas on Tesco fruit is merely a symptom of the lack of integrity, the hood winking and the jingoism. The union flags are about selling Brexit as a positive when all the evidence ithat it is calamitous.

Yes we’ve had a pandemic and wasted 29 pounds on a failed track and trace awarded to private companies with strong links to the Tories. Had we reacted as per expert advice not only would many lives have been saved, but we might be doing a whole lot better economically.

Those hospitals were never going to be built. There never was a budget for them, it was more falsehoods. Just as bananas are very rarely going to be British.

In a ven diagram, the only people still complaining and thinking this is cringy about this will largely have proudly displayed an EU flag on their twitter profile, luckily most of it is being archived

It really isn't some secretive facism stance, it was an obvious bait for the terminally online to be outraged at, and as suspected it has worked.

Fortunetly for MN is you can name change and pretend you never had this oppinion, as for taking bad twitter hot takes its going to be a bit more difficult.

[quote worriedatthemoment]@alibongo5 no the all in this together is what was being said here when asking people to follow the rules
Other countries fly their flags all the time
We have just stepped away from the eu so are now trying to trade as the uk so its not a surprise it will be there
I have never known anyone moan about their flags and as I said in real life no one either of any nationality I only see it on here
A couple of us have been given them to cover books on bookshelf etc re : mp's but in general people just not that bothered not like how they are on here [/quote]
So why has it only been displayed post Brexit? Not for the whole of 2020 but only post Brexit. So it's nothing to do with Covid at all. And I have already said that if it's already part of a culture fair enough but it has never been part of ours. It jars.

I don't even know what your last sentence means.

@LemonRoses sorry you have lost me on the bananas

@alibongo5 because maybe we are now trading as the uk and not the eu that would be a reason do you not think

Why are fans of the union flag utterly obsessed with WWII?

It's 80 years ago for crying out loud. Britain fought Nazi Germany for their own survival, not because of some altruistic self-sacrificing desire to free the rest of the world from National Socialism. Besides, you can't rehabilitate the emblem of hundreds of years of Imperialism and colonial subjugation by simply surviving a six-year-long conflict that was forced upon you. Never mind some of the disgraceful behaviour of the UK state in the time since the 1940's.

Yay! we fought Nazi'ism. We've also been responsible for utter chaos and genocide in India, deposing democratically elected politicians in North Africa and the near east, perpetuating a civil war and associated atrocities in Northern Ireland, selling umpteen indigenous peoples up the river because their territories were of use to us or our allies, two invasions of Iraq, and the resultant genocide and rise of the utterly murderous ISIL, an invasion of Afghanistan, and the total destruction of Libya, which is now in a state of complete anarchy replete with slave markets and general lawlessness.

But no matter, we played a relatively minor part in beating the Axis 75 years ago, so everything is just fine.

@Devlesko how are they racist ?

@XDownwiththissortofthingX we didn't do any of the other things you mention on our own either
And please don't insult all those that lost their lives fighting in world war 11 etc many of them very young men , of course we fought to protect ourselves as well but a combination helped defeat it and many sacrificed their lives

Where I am from we have foags on our own produce. Some shops even haveregional section with local regional stuff. So I sew absolutely nothing wrong with it. From what I know most countries have that.

It's ridiculous to put different flag on a produce to a country it was actually produced in though.