Driveway with no dropped kerb..

[MadgeHarvyy]

Does this mean it is not legally a driveway..?

Without the dropped curb and granted permission to do so, people make unofficial driveways on their gardens where it is dangerous (due to traffic on the road) or insufficient space for one or that impinges on the parking or access to other properties.

It all has to meet regulations to avoid these things.

Round here, you have to do the work in your garden before they will actually drop the curb. This prevents people basically paying for an on-road parking space. If you drop the curb, they want you to park on the garden and not on the road. A 2nd car can block it in if there isn’t room for 2 on the created driveway.

I’ve known councils write to people parking on gardens which means they must cross the public pavement to get onto their garden and warn them to stop or face fines and then be fined. I’ve also known people grass up neighbours for this. The reason they do this is because by creating an unofficial drive, they remove a public parking space on the road outside it....without having the official say so to allow it.

Just do things properly.

It's not a driveway then its a bit of concrete/tarmac/gravel over a garden

Where I live if the council get reports about driving over pavement they contact the resident to give them a chance to apply for a dropped kerb. If this isn't done they place a metal bollard strategically so that the drive can't be used

A rather strange, neighbour, went one better. He got his mate to paint his own road markings, as he did not like our then tenant parking a van outside the windows to his flat. It is brilliant. Parking is a nightmare in summer, as it is near the beach. Visitors stay well away, but we in the block know, and so have our own reserved parking.

Perhaps that is the way to ensure those patios with aspirations are not blocked.

When they were doing the water pipes where DM lived they asked if she wanted a dropped kerb and she got it a bit cheaper or something for having it done then.

I've got a dropped kerb and no driveway access from it!!!!!

The previous owner changed the layout of the drive, built it up and put a retaining wall. Access to our driveway is now further up but the dropped kerb remains all round the corner of the road.

No, it just means the owner of the driveway hasn't applied to the council to have the kerb dropped. Maybe because they don't read MN , the font of all life-coaching.

@2bazookas

No, it just means the owner of the driveway hasn't applied to the council to have the kerb dropped. Maybe because they don't read MN , the font of all life-coaching.

They don't own a driveway, and a quick google would inform them of this.

NRTFT but for those saying that its a dropped kerb that 'makes' it a driveway and if there is no dropped kerb then anyone can park there? what about new build estates where there are literally no pavements to drop? ie the whole street, driveways, paths and gardens are on the same level and the area in front of the detached houses are mono-blocked in a different colour to the rest of the street. Would you still consider this not to be a driveway? If this was the case then anyone could park right in front of your front door! So obviously not a dropped kerb that denotes a driveway in a lot of estates.

@ShutUpAlex

We don’t have a dropped kerb but anyone with a brain can see that it’s where we have to park our car outside our house and if you parked there you would be a total dickhead. Thankfully no one in real life is as anal with these “laws” as a lot of posters on mumsnet and no one had ever blocked us in.

You don’t have a driveway.

At New build estates the roads are not normally the public highway until they are adopted by the local council

Can you not put a 'drop' thingy at the kerb (sorry, I don't know the proper name)? I have seen that in some places. I certainly would in your place.

Yes, the roads have not been adopted yet.
My point is though that there must be something else that denotes what a driveway is and it can't be the presence of a dropped kerb (particularly in new build estates).
Our set up is all on one level, road runs past in the middle, houses on both sides of the road (which is monoblocked in red brick). Houses have front gardens and garages, in front of which the area is grey monoblocks. This is all on the same level as the street. There are no pavements. Grass and 'garden area is at the same height as the road. It's very clear that the different area/colour of monoblocking denotes a private driveway as its right in front of the garages and house to which it belongs. So anyone parking there would literally be on your property/garden and right at your front door.

But no dropped kerb so its okay? Surely not!

If there is no pavement then driving over it to access a drive is not an issue is it?

It would come under the rule of Do not stop or park in front of an entrance to a property.

If there is a kerb there it is not an "entrance to a property"

No kerb/no pavement = entrance to a property

Ignoring the issue of the dropped curb, I certainly would not be helping him out again as he didn't let you park overnight with a disabled child in the car. You could have moved the car very quickly if he decided he wanted to get out and yet he still said no. I think that's shocking and I'm sure most people would be absolutely fine with it.

@Hollyhocksarenotmessy

Everyone saying definitively no, is a brownie. Many country roads have no pavement, so no kerb to drop. There are still legal driveways on these roads.

OP, if there is a pavement, then yes, it needs a dropped kerb to be a driveway. If it ends straight on the road, then it doesn't.

The OP is talking about a driveway without a dropped kerb, not a driveway without a pavement. Different situation.

@ShutUpAlex

You have a parking space across the road?! That’s not a driveway!

@Nameitychangity, I think you are missing the point. Obviously if there is no kerb to drop in the first place it would still be an authorise drive way. However if a kerb remains in place at the end of the drive then it is not a legal driveway and there would be nothing to stop people parking in front of it.

^^. Authorised

Of course it’s a drive way, it leads to our garage. It’s just not attached to the side of the house like most other garages because of the weird slope we live on.

@ShutUpAlex

Of course it’s a drive way, it leads to our garage. It’s just not attached to the side of the house like most other garages because of the weird slope we live on.

If there is access to the driveway via a dropped kerb somewhere then it is a driveway. If you have to mount the kerb to drive across the pavement then you have a shed with aspirations.

@ShutUpAlex

Of course it’s a drive way, it leads to our garage. It’s just not attached to the side of the house like most other garages because of the weird slope we live on.

No, honey. No dropped kerb, no drive.

When I lived on a busy main road with double yellows, in a ground floor flat of a converted Victorian house, we had a drive with a dropped kerb. The neighbours downstairs to the left had a front garden with grass and flowers etc and we had a fence between us which belonged to them. When they sold it the new owners kept parking on our drive. I managed to catch them one day and told them to stop parking there. They looked confused and said that part of our drive came with their flat. I assured them it didn’t. But they kept blustering that the estate agent said they were allowed to park there. (They’d always viewed it in the day in the week when our car wasn’t there). We got our deeds out and they got really angry.

The next day they smashed down the fence and started driving up our dropped kerb and onto our drive and then onto their grass and flowers from our property side. Within a couple of weeks their front garden was a bog of deep wet mud, with 2 particularly deep troughs where they parked. When they started their car the wheels spun round spraying mud everywhere for a bit before the car would eventually move. Our car, front window and drive was splattered with mud and there were muddy tyre marks over the drive and pavement. Utter twats.

Shed with aspirations