to feel sick at this

[justiceleague]

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9447125/Care-home-worker-46-beaten-pulp-stepping-save-11-year-old-son-bullies.html

I am absolutely sickened by this. I honestly despair at the world now - I know that there have always been awful people but please tell me I am not alone in feeling like we are being overrun by absolute vile creatures who get away without consequences for anything and that it is just getting worse

Beating a man into a coma and they get released on bail? Honestly have had enough, the world is just awful

I hope the little bastards are thrown in jail and the key thrown away.

Pick all the holes you like, Lockheart in that, I couldn't care less. Scum like these shouldn't be allowed to ever roam the streets again.

I sincerely do hope justice is done - but we all do need to remember that an important principal of justice is 'innocent until proven guilty'.

I agree with @Lockheart they will go through the justice system, just not in 5 days.

I like the "less outrage, more critical thinking" might get that on a t-shirt.

@MrsTumbletap

I agree with *@Lockheart* they will go through the justice system, just not in 5 days.

I like the "less outrage, more critical thinking" might get that on a t-shirt.

Less outrage? Really. What critical thinking do we need to apply to this? Can you explain exactly what you mean by that These? Or is it just something people enjoy saying? These teens were picking on a little boy, throwing him around and when his dad tried to step in they beat him. Possibly to death, but no, we shouldn't be outraged about that.

No idea why "these?" Is in there but my question still stands. Can anyone explain what they mean by apply critical thinking in this situation?

The Daily Fail is full of this sensationalist crap. Read a different news site or avoid most news. There are millions of lovely people in the world doing lovely things and even more of us bog standard people doing bog standard things. None of that makes for good tabloid headlines though so you don’t get to hear about.

Media is something you digest and can have a positive or negative effect on you. Be careful what you ingest is my advice.

Here’s a start.

www.goodnewsnetwork.org/

I know plenty of people who have been to jail, most of them agree its a peice of piss. Might be a bit boring, but it's hardly a punishment anymore especially, for people like this. So no, justice won't be served no matter how long they get.

YABVU for reading, linking to and getting frothy about daily fail articles. Do you also comment on them such as 'hang the little scrotes', 'bring back corporal punishment', 'they'll only get a slap on the wrist. Lock them up and throw away the key', etc.?

Suggest you change your news sources.

Wearywithteens

‘Sadistic criminal fuckers’ as you call them, are made up of predominantly people that started out as beautiful, innocent and love-deserving babies just like you, me and everyone. But 90+% of them were abused/neglected/experienced developmental trauma.

That isn’t to say they should be let off and there needs to be consequences for such heinous actions, but it’s also important to remember how these situations come about.

How do we learn to feel empathy?

How do we learn right from wrong?

What do we need developmentally to grow into well adjusted, law abiding citizens.

What does this teach us about what children need and how we can prevent such horror?

The first three years are crucial in this sense:

www.wavetrust.org/

Yet we don’t tend to front load services at this stage. We tend to spend money once issues are already present and often when they are already present and often when they are entrenched.

Prison doesn’t reduce recidivism and is very costly. A shift of focus to prevention is needed. It’s happening in small ways but it’s a trickle.

@skipperjonce

YABVU for reading, linking to and getting frothy about daily fail articles. Do you also comment on them such as 'hang the little scrotes', 'bring back corporal punishment', 'they'll only get a slap on the wrist. Lock them up and throw away the key', etc.?

Suggest you change your news sources.

This wasn't only reported in the daily mail. Which source would you prefer?

I'm with you iminaglasscaseofemotion

My empathy is for the father fighting for his life. The perpetrators can rot in hell. Some of us have also had tough upbringings, we don't do shit like this and then expect all the bleeding hearts to come out in our defence, handwringing and making excuses for us.

That isn’t to say they should be let off and there needs to be consequences for such heinous actions, but it’s also important to remember how these situations come about.

bit late for those already there. Learn and work on the next generation, but the low lives guilty of such vile crimes need to be punished accordingly, and before anything else. And a slap on the hand is an insult to the victim.

Scum like these shouldn't be allowed to ever roam the streets again.

The US takes this approach and hands out harsh sentences for these types of crimes. Doesn’t seem to have done much to reduce their crime rates.

What needs to happen is the appropriate amount of sentencing within the guidelines of the U.K. justice system. I wonder how many people will here will appeal if they feel the sentence is too lenient. Or even follow the case to see what happens?

I think Lockheart is making a valid point. This is nothing but a good old fashioned froth fest, posted in AIBU for some inexplicable reason, to get these responses about how terrible world today is when actually, these kinds of attacks are rare and the U.K. is the safest it has ever been. But nobody will hear that over the roar of “hanging’s too good for ‘em”.

What's wrong with a good old fashioned "froth fest"? What harm is it doing anyone?

Where's the parents of the little scrotes? I suppose they'll all be 'lovely kids?' Yeah, course they are ...

@Stonerosie67

I'm with you iminaglasscaseofemotion

My empathy is for the father fighting for his life. The perpetrators can rot in hell. Some of us have also had tough upbringings, we don't do shit like this and then expect all the bleeding hearts to come out in our defence, handwringing and making excuses for us.

Agree. I know plenty of people that have had terrible upbringings, I wouldn't feel sorry for them or make excuses for them if they did something like this. Like I said, their sentence won't reflect their crime, I would bet my life on it.

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

Ok. You can climb down off your soap box now. Why come on to a thread just to point out errors? Are you very bored?

Are you embarrassed that your glaring errors were pointed out by @Lockheart? Let it go. They made a very good point. Don’t derail a thread to try to save face.

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

What's wrong with a good old fashioned "froth fest"? What harm is it doing anyone?

Exactly - I'm a bit baffled why so many people are more angry at me for posting the article than they are at the contents of said article! very odd

Are you embarrassed that your glaring errors were pointed out by@Lockheart? Let it go. They made a very good point. Don’t derail a thread to try to save face.

Point me in the direction of my error @ButIcantsitonleather

@skipperjonce

YABVU for reading, linking to and getting frothy about daily fail articles. Do you also comment on them such as 'hang the little scrotes', 'bring back corporal punishment', 'they'll only get a slap on the wrist. Lock them up and throw away the key', etc.?

Suggest you change your news sources.

Hi @skipperjonce, I actually discovered the article on a different news site and Googled to see if I could find out more info. Ended up on the DM article which is the one I shared as it was the one I was looking at before I posted. Does that make you feel better?

Exactly - I'm a bit baffled why so many people are more angry at me for posting the article than they are at the contents of said article!very odd

Yup it's weird.

Not sure why Lockheart is getting a kicking, he/she is correct, the OP did say ‘without consequences’.

Unfortunately, the little shits are very unlikely to be done for attempted murder as that suggests premeditation, don’t think it was planned, sounds like a spontaneous event. They’re unlikely to get a huge sentence, which is linked to the incredible overcrowding in U.K. prisons, plus their age will likely give them an advantage, as will the age of the judge who is likely to be aged. Unfair, I know.

Ok.

1.) saying you hoped they’d be ‘done for’ attempted murder, for which they have in fact been arrested.

2.) saying the OP hadn’t said they were getting away without consequence, when in fact the OP said that we were being ‘overrun with vile creatures getting away without consequence.’

3.) continually derailing the thread because you took personal offence to @Lockheart making those observations and deemed them condescending for troubling themselves with the actual facts, rather than knee-jerk emotive posting.

4.) suggesting that posters pointing out the alleged perpetrators being on bail somehow equates to feeling sympathy for the alleged perpetrators, and also suggesting that pointing that out is somehow mutually exclusive to feeling immense sympathy to the victim. Which of course it isn’t.

HTH.

@Iminaglasscaseofemotion

Oh and I can guarantee the little shits aren't given a sentence that reflects the disgusting crime they have committed, as is typical in this country.

I believe research shows that sentence g is actually in line with what the general public would consider appropriate, although it's often suggested otherwise

Not sure why Lockheart is getting a kicking, he/she is correct, the OP did say ‘without consequences’.

I'm giving lockheart a "kicking" because they pounced on me for something I said without even knowing what I ment by it. Apparently I'm unreasonable for not using the correct legal terminology at all times, so they don't feel the need to correct me.