The Trump wannabes are hoiking up their posturing pants whilst we wonder if Biden can achieve an FDR-style presidency (Biden-Trump Thread #127)

[TheNorthWestPawsage]

We're still here.

Previous thread:
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www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/25/mitch-mcconnell-republicans-joe-biden-agenda

@Roussette

I listened to his Mother saying 'he's a good man'. It was minutes of her telling everyone how unfair it all was, and how she won't be able to hug him now. Not one word of sympathy for George Floyd's family. He wasn't mentioned.

Chauvin himself hasn't apologised to George Floyd's family,

According to the article on the BBC, he has told the court he offered his condolences to the Floyd family, saying there would be "some other information in the future" and he hoped "things will give you some peace of mind".

In court, Chauvin's mother said he was a "good man".

@Roussette

I listened to his Mother saying 'he's a good man'. It was minutes of her telling everyone how unfair it all was, and how she won't be able to hug him now. Not one word of sympathy for George Floyd's family. He wasn't mentioned.

Ok, I understand a mother's love and (at times) blindness. She kept going on and on about how 'kind' he is, how 'helpful' he is, etc etc. The thing is all those racist KKK bastards who were lynching black people back in the day were also most likely 'kind' to their mothers and 'helpful' to their neighbours, and they probably sat in the 'Amen Corner' at church every Sunday. They saved their hate and ugliness for blacks, jews, catholics, and those they considered 'others'.

Chauvin's apparent disdain for and cruelty to Mr Floyd and the other people he mistreated (he had 18 letters of reprimand in his file) is completely compartmentalized in his head. Those people were 'them' and 'deserved it'. His friends and family are 'us' and are people he loved or respected and that wanted to think well of him.

I hope and pray I'm never in his mother's position. But if I am I hope and pray that I get the help I need to see clearly.

I watched quite a bit of the trial and have seen bits on the sentencing. I just found the mother's 5 minutes of waffle absolutely deplorable. She feels she is losing her son and will be dead when he gets it. George Floyd IS dead.
All I can say is... I am not surprised at Derek Chauvin's actions with a mother so devoid of feeling for another family.

There is a Trump rally in Ohio this evening.

Trump 2021 "The Vendetta Tour"

www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-revenge-tour-kicks-off-with-saturday-rally-ohio-2021-06-26/

Oh dear.

It may be that Chauvin has been told by his lawyer to say nothing until after his second trial, of course.

"Three of Chauvin’s fellow ex-police officers, who stood by as Chauvin killed Floyd, are awaiting trial on related Minnesota state charges next March.
"All four men also face pending federal criminal charges for having violated Floyd’s civil rights in the arrest"

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

It may be that Chauvin has been told by his lawyer to say nothing until after his second trial, of course.

"Three of Chauvin’s fellow ex-police officers, who stood by as Chauvin killed Floyd, are awaiting trial on related Minnesota state charges next March.
"All four men also face pending federal criminal charges for having violated Floyd’s civil rights in the arrest"

I daresay that's true. Many defendants are told to have no/neutral expression during proceedings. They're also told not to offer anything that resembles an apology as it can be twisted into an admission of guilt or responsibility. That's why a defendant will 'offer condolences' but will never say "I'm sorry for your loss" or words to that effect.

Those federal charges they're facing carry a possible death penalty (Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242 - Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law ) since the crime resulted in death, but it's extremely unlikely to be the sentence if they're convicted. And most likely Chauvin will serve his Minnesota sentence out then be transferred to a federal penitentiary to serve a federal sentence of up to life imprisonment, rather than the sentences running concurrently. If he's convicted on the federal charge, it's likely he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison. Or he'll be an old old man if he's ever paroled.

Interestingly enough charging with the deprivation of civil rights is a way around the Constitution's statute against double jeopardy. Chauvin is NOT being tried twice for the same crime as technically he's not being tried for murder, but for depriving Mr Floyd of his civil rights.

Why is it so long between this sentencing and the other officers?

@Roussette

They haven't been tried yet, they're charged separately with 'aiding and abetting' Chauvin in Mr Floyd's death. The 3 officer's trial (IIRC they're being tried together) as been postponed until March 2022 ostensibly to 'allow the publicity to die down' surrounding Chauvin's trial and conviction.

Another angle is that their attorneys may want the delay so the federal trial proceeds first with the hope that if they are convicted that the state charges will be dropped and there'll be no additional jail time. There's also the angle that if (and that's a HUGE if) Chauvin's conviction is overturned on appeal all charges will be dropped. No crime, no aiding and abetting.

Sorry... yes, I mean the trial not the sentencing.

That all makes sense, thank you, Across

Etc.,

www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ohio-election-rally_n_60d7fadfe4b0b9db24972b7d

Earlier today I found a post from Newsmax on my FB timeline, with this headline: "President Donald Trump kicked off his 2022 campaign rally circuit Saturday night with a "Save America" rally, rebuking the "complete and total catastrophe" of the Biden administration, and giving an encouraging view of next year's midterm elections." I didn't bother to read the rest of it, but scrolled down to see the comments. I was shocked! I've never seen anything like it! There were hundreds, if not thousands of them and as far as I could bear to read see, they were all adulatory. Trump was being greeted as the Second Coming, and they consider him still to be the elected President who has been unfairly denied his rightful second term in office. I've been lying down in a darkened room since reading comment after comment of unadulterated bilge. He still needs to be denied the oxygen of publicity.

Yes, he does. I think I saw that it was broadcast on C-Span.

I expect the audience for this wasn't all MAGA though.

@Jaichangecentfoisdenom

I'm not saying Doofus doesn't have more than his fair share of 'admirers' (considering that he deserves to have zero) but it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the comments on that Newsmax piece of shit are staffers whose main job is to create fake comments. And Russian bots.

Pentagon:

"At President Biden's direction, U.S. military forces earlier this evening conducted defensive precision airstrikes against facilities used by Iran-backed militia groups in the Iraq-Syria border region.”

I have no idea what those airstrikes imply, should we be scared? Should I be glad I no longer live in the ME desert?
@AcrossthePond55 - Heaven knows why Newsmax came up on my newsfeed and I've taken steps to prevent it happening again, though I suppose it pays to know the enemy..

I did see footage of Trump's open air rally. People were swarming out whilst he was banging on with the same old same old.

$$$

In-Out-In:

www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/this-sedition-is-brought-to-you-by/

I found this because Toyota is trending...

Trump on Barr:

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/donald-trump-attacks-barr-mcconnell_n_60d95d16e4b066ff5abc1293?ri18n=true

Oh my!
His statement. He's really lost it hasn't he...

Loser!

I think the full expression is "sore loser"