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To be getting fed up with "boarders"

221 replies

joystir59 · 04/04/2021 22:57

...which are not children sleeping in school dorms rather than going home at the end of the school day; but the boundaries between countries, the correct word for which is borders. Borders!!!! Anyone else sick of boarders?

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SallySycamore · 05/04/2021 19:02

And when I say "they didn't for her", no two of those rhymed. Easter Confused

Seymour5 · 05/04/2021 19:26

Anglicised Scot here. I still don't pronounce border/boarder the same. English born DH does. We've been comparing.

Having said that, a broad Scots speaker may well pronounce border as boarder.

NoLactose · 05/04/2021 19:39

@Devlesko TOTALLY sounds like PP!

VestaTilley
YANBU!

An MP in a Commons debate actually used the word “pacific” instead of “specific” the other day. Appalled.
Sounds like Priti Patel. Practically illiterate.

GameofPhones · 05/04/2021 21:16

ErrolTheDragon I've heard several politicians say 'nucular' for 'nuclear',

benorjerry · 05/04/2021 21:27

@FlibbertyGiblets

Yeah close are boarders , Borris.
As we're in the UK and not the US, let's have a curbside sit down, refelcted from another post about houses where curbside appeal seems to be important. Kerb kerb kerb!
benorjerry · 05/04/2021 21:31

@WestendVBroadway

Am I the only one now repeating the words Border and Boarder to discover if I pronounce them differently?
No, I've dpone it too. I can't see how they can be pronounced the same.
2bazookas · 05/04/2021 21:45

Even more sick of people writing "reign" for rein.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/04/2021 22:12

@GameofPhones

ErrolTheDragon I've heard several politicians say 'nucular' for 'nuclear',
I don't doubt it. Many of our politicians are woefully ill-educated when it comes to science, unfortunately.
TheFiend · 05/04/2021 22:30

The one that really gets me is ‘on route’

It’s en route. En route!

I have an acquaintance on facebook who posts her daily comings and going’s and several times a day she’ll post on route to so and so. It infuriates me.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 05/04/2021 22:57

Re the pronunciation.
I pronounce border short and boarder long on the oa part.
As my Foreignlish can be bit odd at times, is that the difference or is it just something made up by my brain?

sabrinaspellcheck · 05/04/2021 23:03

Does anyone point out these type of errors to colleagues, if you are close to them?

My friend makes a number of these errors on emails which I'm often cc'd in on. I don't mention those.

If she has something particularly important to email, she'll often ask me to check it over for content, etc. In which case I do correct it, but it doesn't stop her doing it again and I'm not sure she notices the little things that I correct, rather than just the actual phrasing?

Would you say anything?

FixTheBone · 06/04/2021 07:17

@Pottedpalm

Curb, when they mean kerb. I have seen that several times lately.
That's an oddly specific one, presumably related to the 'parking' threads.?
Seymour5 · 06/04/2021 09:00

Of cause we was.

Nith · 06/04/2021 09:34

Does anyone point out these type of errors to colleagues, if you are close to them?

I used to work with a manager who liked to show off by sending round copies of letters and messages he was planning to send out, but his grammar and spelling really weren't good. Some of them would have had quite serious ramifications for the organisation if they went out as they were, so I used to pretend I thought they were just typos and suggest at least the most essential corrections. He didn't like it because he knew they weren't typos, but he could hardly complain in all the circumstances.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/04/2021 10:37

Does anyone point out these type of errors to colleagues, if you are close to them?

My colleagues make very few grammatical errors. I very occasionally model correct usage, and I think only once pointed out a subtle problem in something from my manager. Like many others in our team she has (excellent) English as a second language, and was glad of the clarification.

The tech writer sometimes has to correct U.K. English spelling in my drafts and translate an occasional English idiom not readily comprehensible in the US and 'global English'.Grin

sunstreaming · 06/04/2021 11:24

The most galling thing is when it's someone who REALLY should know better. The Head of English in a school I know (who also has a First Class Degree in English) wrote: Staff will re-enforce correct spelling and students will improve by practicing.
Other senior members of staff at the same school often asked us to 'bare with them' and one of them often talked about 'Faecal alcohol syndrome'. Another staff member who discreetly said to them that it would be better if they wrote correctly, was 'disciplined' I know because as her Union Rep, I supported her at the meeting.

OnthebanksoftheLac · 06/04/2021 11:31

Another one that seems to be very common is the use of myself, for example 'please reply to myself'. No idea why people do that, it even sounds wrong.

QuestionableMouse · 06/04/2021 11:46

@Clarich007

Oh I can't stand to hear " He was drawring a picture" Ahhh, there's no R in drawing.
Yes there is, right after the D Hmm. I think you mean there's only on R and it depends on your accent. There is in mine, for example. A lot of these problems come from people not seeing the words written and spelling them phonetically.

Someone mentioned "carm" and yep, that's how it sounds in my accent. And even though I have a First class honours degree in English, I'll still occasionally spell it that way when I'm tired. (It does get corrected though. 😂)

SchrodingersImmigrant · 06/04/2021 11:47

@sunstreaming

The most galling thing is when it's someone who REALLY should know better. The Head of English in a school I know (who also has a First Class Degree in English) wrote: Staff will re-enforce correct spelling and students will improve by practicing. Other senior members of staff at the same school often asked us to 'bare with them' and one of them often talked about 'Faecal alcohol syndrome'. Another staff member who discreetly said to them that it would be better if they wrote correctly, was 'disciplined' I know because as her Union Rep, I supported her at the meeting.
I am actually surprised at how much I read on MN about teachers making mistakes like their/there, of/have and other basics. Is it really that common or is it just amplified here? I always thought that teachers must have high standard of English.
QuestionableMouse · 06/04/2021 11:50

@Twenty2 Same! They're identical for me too.

Geamhradh · 06/04/2021 12:44

@SchrodingersImmigrant, I think, as in all professions, the fact that you're good at one thing, doesn't necessarily mean you're good at others. Rightly or wrongly.

It's also true, and a sad indictment of the school system at the time, that when I was at secondary school (1977-84) there was no National Curriculum and schools did whatever they wanted (basically) Mine did no English language whatsoever. We did a subject called Literature and Drama. A 2.5 hour slot a week where sometimes we read extracts from anthologies, and sometimes we pretended to be seeds. Confused

I did Modern Languages and Linguistics- hence phonology nerdiness and I'm an English teacher now. Everything I know about English grammar, I learned from linguistics, or from extrapolating rules from other languages, or when I had to actually start teaching English. Factor in that a lot of people choose not to take a MFL once it becomes optional, so they're not given the extrapolation option, and you've got a lot of teachers (as in any other profession- I was at school with someone who now works at NASA, he did A' level Physics at 13, couldn't get his O'level English for love nor money. He was a year older than me but went to uni a year later because of English) whose use of English is substandard. Arguably, if they're not English teachers, does it matter? I don't know.

I firmly believe though that back in those days, more than one generation was failed by the system. And some of those people, like me, are teachers now. I had to collate student reports a few years ago, and one NQT's had to be redone because she'd written "could of" and "should of" throughout.

I'm a descriptivist not a prescriptivist (or worse, proscriptivist) though, and so the threads I'll die on are the ones started to belittle others for their less than perfect use of English. Because yes, the answer very often is "no, they don't read", "no, they don't know it's wrong"

GreenlandTheMovie · 06/04/2021 13:28

[quote Geamhradh]@SchrodingersImmigrant, I think, as in all professions, the fact that you're good at one thing, doesn't necessarily mean you're good at others. Rightly or wrongly.

It's also true, and a sad indictment of the school system at the time, that when I was at secondary school (1977-84) there was no National Curriculum and schools did whatever they wanted (basically) Mine did no English language whatsoever. We did a subject called Literature and Drama. A 2.5 hour slot a week where sometimes we read extracts from anthologies, and sometimes we pretended to be seeds. Confused

I did Modern Languages and Linguistics- hence phonology nerdiness and I'm an English teacher now. Everything I know about English grammar, I learned from linguistics, or from extrapolating rules from other languages, or when I had to actually start teaching English. Factor in that a lot of people choose not to take a MFL once it becomes optional, so they're not given the extrapolation option, and you've got a lot of teachers (as in any other profession- I was at school with someone who now works at NASA, he did A' level Physics at 13, couldn't get his O'level English for love nor money. He was a year older than me but went to uni a year later because of English) whose use of English is substandard. Arguably, if they're not English teachers, does it matter? I don't know.

I firmly believe though that back in those days, more than one generation was failed by the system. And some of those people, like me, are teachers now. I had to collate student reports a few years ago, and one NQT's had to be redone because she'd written "could of" and "should of" throughout.

I'm a descriptivist not a prescriptivist (or worse, proscriptivist) though, and so the threads I'll die on are the ones started to belittle others for their less than perfect use of English. Because yes, the answer very often is "no, they don't read", "no, they don't know it's wrong"[/quote]
I've seen "vars" (Vase) and "payed" (paid) today alone...

I remember studying Dutch grammar, and correct grammar really is pushed from the very beginning. You learn all the rules, sub-rules and exceptions, and the indefinite article has two forms. I don't ever remember being taught English grammar. That said, its really not very difficult to pick up in your own language, but there seems to be almost a reverse snobbery thing going on about correcting people and using correct spelling and grammar.

What I really don't understand is how people struggle with plurals in English. They are really easy - you mostly just add an "s" or "Ies" onto the end, but people put in apostrophes or don't know when to use "ies" as if they have never, ever been instructed how to create a written plural in their own native language.

MagpiePi · 06/04/2021 14:03

I work in highway design so we use radii quite a lot, to get round corners, and it really bugs me the number of engineers that talk about 'one radii' Grrraah.

Also, a colleague has started saying 'weary' when I'm sure he means 'wary', as in he is reluctant about something. Although he does have a young baby so I suppose he genuinely could be weary.

AngeloMysterioso · 06/04/2021 14:31

Loose instead of lose.

Too instead of to and vice versa.

DynamoKev · 06/04/2021 15:21

I keep seeing adverse where the writer means averse.

Misnomer seems be gaining use far outside the actual meaning.
I have seen on here the use of exasperate for exacerbate - not caused by spell check.