Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Original poster

What is this behaviour by teacher?

479 replies

accesstheinternet · 02/04/2021 22:45

Class of 9 and 10 year olds, about to go into lockdown, the class is talking about what it will be like and asking questions. Suddenly the teacher says out of the blue, first time anything like this has happened "and who will miss Charlie and his bad temper?"

Charlie is shocked and upset and the class sort of murmured "me" and Charlie's mother asks the teacher what was up when she saw her and the teacher said that she had spoken to Charlie and all was fine, apparently Charlie had lost his temper because someone had pushed him in the playground.

Then the next day Charlie comes out in floods of tears, saying that he had written down an instruction he thought had to be written down, the teacher had starting berating him and saying only he would do that, and encouraged the whole class to mock him, he had become upset at the berating and some of the class had laughed.

The teacher is normally fine.

OP posts:
LolaSmiles · 04/04/2021 20:24

It's clearly been a very busy Easter weekend in your lovely small community OP. It must be very nice living somewhere where the community all keep each other involves in each other's personal lives.
It's lovely that school based issues can be resolved so quickly by Easter Sunday though.
Grin

SmileEachDay · 04/04/2021 20:26

And secondly, in terms of privacy, only the teacher and parents of children in the class and other people within the classroom would recognise this scenario based on what I have said, and all of those people are key people within the scenario and what the situation is with the teacher is relevant for all of them - there are no privacy identifying details here that anyone else would recognise

And if any of those people recognise themselves - as you have quoted directly what happened that’s not hard - do you think they will be delighted that you’ve decided on their behalf that a very specific situation should be discussed by an Internet forum? Lots of criticism of the teacher. Plenty of early comments about “Charlie” that weren’t too flattering also.

You’ve been very careful to not reveal anything about your own place in this picture though.

Original poster
accesstheinternet · 04/04/2021 21:17

@LolaSmiles

It's clearly been a very busy Easter weekend in your lovely small community OP. It must be very nice living somewhere where the community all keep each other involves in each other's personal lives. It's lovely that school based issues can be resolved so quickly by Easter Sunday though. Grin
Your posts are dickish lola.
OP posts:
Original poster
accesstheinternet · 04/04/2021 21:19

@SmileEachDay

And secondly, in terms of privacy, only the teacher and parents of children in the class and other people within the classroom would recognise this scenario based on what I have said, and all of those people are key people within the scenario and what the situation is with the teacher is relevant for all of them - there are no privacy identifying details here that anyone else would recognise

And if any of those people recognise themselves - as you have quoted directly what happened that’s not hard - do you think they will be delighted that you’ve decided on their behalf that a very specific situation should be discussed by an Internet forum? Lots of criticism of the teacher. Plenty of early comments about “Charlie” that weren’t too flattering also.

You’ve been very careful to not reveal anything about your own place in this picture though.

@smileeachday I am amazed that you are a safeguarding officer and all you are concerned about here is a teacher who is not English speaking impossibly recognising herself and feeling her privacy has been breached, and trying to pick holes in my story.
OP posts:
Original poster
accesstheinternet · 04/04/2021 21:21

@smileeachday - seriously - if this scenario was at your school, at which you are apparently a safeguarding officer, and you had evidence that it happened exactly as I quoted, what would you be doing about that teacher?

OP posts:
LolaSmiles · 04/04/2021 21:26

I would imagine Smile would follow her school procedures, investigate, and follow up accordingly with those who need to be involved. The same as in any other UK school.

She probably wouldn't be chatting about the teacher's personal life or stress due to covid over Easter weekend though.

SmileEachDay · 04/04/2021 21:27

I am amazed that you are a safeguarding officer

You’ve trawled through my posting history? That’s a bit strange.

EarringsandLipstick · 04/04/2021 21:28

[quote accesstheinternet]@smileeachday - seriously - if this scenario was at your school, at which you are apparently a safeguarding officer, and you had evidence that it happened exactly as I quoted, what would you be doing about that teacher?[/quote]
Surely it depends who you are in this scenario?

You've been so detailed about this teacher & what she said, but won't even indicate if you are the mum (tho you suggested this before pulling back)

Surely you can see that that is really odd? If you've no privacy concerns, how does it matter if you say you're the mum (or someone else)?

You want to know what smile would do? But about what? In terms of discussing with the teacher? But is this on the basis of a complaint from the parent (you in this scenario? Or not?) or another colleague (like the TA, also possibly you?). How can anyone give meaningful advice without this detail?

SmileEachDay · 04/04/2021 21:28

Yup. Exactly that Lola

EarringsandLipstick · 04/04/2021 21:33

OP, on the basis of this:

and you had evidence that it happened exactly as I quoted

How would smile have this evidence?

If it was via the mum, it would be based on what Charlie said, so not necessarily the full story.

If it was via another colleague, wouldn't there be wider issues at play, such as the relationship between the TA & the teacher?

LolaSmiles · 04/04/2021 21:34

SmileEachDay
I thought so. Smile

How can anyone give meaningful advice without this detail?
We can't, but I think that was probably the point. Most people on the thread, me included, have said if it happened as outlined and the OP saw this then it needs following up, and have offered advice. Plenty of others have also asked repeatedly what the OP's position is as it makes a big difference between seeing something first hand and hearing about something second hand, but the OP doesn't want to share this information.
Not that it matters now as it would seem small communities mean this sort of thing is resolved on Easter weekend.

SmileEachDay · 04/04/2021 21:36

What I wouldn’t be doing is updating anyone about it on a Sunday or posting about it on the internet.

Original poster
accesstheinternet · 04/04/2021 21:36

@LolaSmiles

I would imagine Smile would follow her school procedures, investigate, and follow up accordingly with those who need to be involved. The same as in any other UK school.

She probably wouldn't be chatting about the teacher's personal life or stress due to covid over Easter weekend though.

Maybe @smileeachday could answer the question - which I will put slightly differently to help her - how would you safeguard Charlie at your school?
OP posts:
EarringsandLipstick · 04/04/2021 21:36

We can't, but I think that was probably the point.

I think I'm beginning to agree.

The OP's later posts are much stranger than her initial ones tho.

LolaSmiles · 04/04/2021 21:38

EarringsandLipstick
I agree. It all got a bit strange once they got on about how teachers have found this thread hard to read (explicitly mentioning me, even though I said the teacher was wrong if it happened as outlined, but never mindGrin) and what teachers need to take away from this thread.

It's really become most strange.

SmileEachDay · 04/04/2021 21:43

Maybe @smileeachday could answer the question - which I will put slightly differently to help her - how would you safeguard Charlie at your school?

I definitely wouldn’t take my information from “it being a close community and everyone knowing each other”

I’d investigate and follow statutory procedures. What those were would depend on what actually happened.

Original poster
accesstheinternet · 04/04/2021 21:46

I am not going to get a useful answer to my question, am I?

lola, smileeachday - to the extent your profession has a bad reputation, your posts here are going to be part of the reason why.

I am out now, and hiding the thread, you can ponder and trollhunt and be goady as much as you like.

OP posts:
SmileEachDay · 04/04/2021 21:52

accesstheinternet

You’ve got exactly the answer that you should have. Safeguarding is very procedural- it’s all about establishing what happened and acting appropriately.

It’s impossible to give you anything more specific with no idea about the perspective of your information.

EarringsandLipstick · 04/04/2021 21:52

@accesstheinternet

I am not going to get a useful answer to my question, am I?

lola, smileeachday - to the extent your profession has a bad reputation, your posts here are going to be part of the reason why.

I am out now, and hiding the thread, you can ponder and trollhunt and be goady as much as you like.

😳😳😳

So it was a thread about teacher-bashing all along...

Normally when that term is used on MN I don't quite subscribe to it.

This has truly been one of the oddest threads. Smiles & Lola, the OP has certainly had you in her cross-hairs!

LolaSmiles · 04/04/2021 22:02

EarringsandLipstick
Who knows.
Still, it's good to know that teaching's reputation is ruined by teachers suggesting that teachers can get it wrong in class, the concerns about a teacher should be raised differently depending on someone's position in a situation, and that any safeguarding situation would be investigated follllwing relevant procedure.

EarringsandLipstick · 04/04/2021 22:08

@LolaSmiles

EarringsandLipstick Who knows. Still, it's good to know that teaching's reputation is ruined by teachers suggesting that teachers can get it wrong in class, the concerns about a teacher should be raised differently depending on someone's position in a situation, and that any safeguarding situation would be investigated follllwing relevant procedure.
😂 yes!!!
SmileEachDay · 04/04/2021 22:11

Still, it's good to know that teaching's reputation is ruined by teachers suggesting that teachers can get it wrong in class, the concerns about a teacher should be raised differently depending on someone's position in a situation, and that any safeguarding situation would be investigated follllwing relevant procedure

Damn all this common sense. Teachers are just the worst when they do this stuff. 😳

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 04/04/2021 22:12

Wow! Just... Wow!

LolaSmiles · 04/04/2021 22:31

BeingATwatItsABingThing
Not relevant to the thread, but I love your username Smile

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 04/04/2021 23:03

Thanks @LolaSmiles Grin