to expect to have more disposable income than single mums claiming benefits

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i no longer know why me and dh bother, he works full time and i work part time so that i can juggle the child care.

i know of 3 single mums who stay near me who seem to have more money than i can dream of, out every weekend, always shopping and 2 of them manage to run cars.

i know the benefit system is needed by some people but it seems to be a complete joke these days, the wasters in this country are leading the life of reilly while the rest of us are left to slog our guts out to pay for there existence.

no doubt i will get flamed for this post but i have been out xmas shopping today trying to work to a budget then i stand next to these people at the school gates and hear about all the grants they are entitled to so they can buy xmas presents, one of them has even cut back the last 2 months and managed to save £800, it would take me bloody months to save that up.

ok rant over, deep down i am glad i am not one of these people and i do actually work for what i have but it still pisses me of.

Actually, there are people who fall preggers to get more money. I am bemused...i adore my kids...but omg they are hard work!

Apparently (off topic i know, but i was shocked) there are people who smoke lots while pregnant to make sure their baby is small and they don't get stretched...but that was on the news sometime.

Please , WHAT IS THIS FREE BABYSITTING? WHERE IS IT COMING FROM?

it never ceases to amaze me how much single mothers are pilloried to no end but only rarely do we see ANY mention of the men who go round fathering children with all and sundry and then walking away without a second thought, much less a few pounds in maintenance.

that's what always ticks me off about these threads, news articles, reports, etc.

Look, the problem is that here on MN you are not likely to meet a typical benefits fraud, but you are going to meet lots of decent, hardworking single mums.

Is it surprising that a lot of them are going to be very upset at being lumped in together with cheats and liars?

argh, expat....the op's point is single mums wiht a lot of cash, benefits is what they claim...might not be the only income of course....or if 800 is saved, sorry, impossible never mind on benefits....
honestly , I have no problem with parent s finiding themselfs on benefits, whatever number of children, because of whatever....it is not a choice...but, like the op, I assume, I can't stand it that tehre are people using the system, not so much, in my case, because of my own circumstances, whilst not great, wea re comfortable enough, I suppose...but because the way people USE the system takes away of those truely in need and that could be a single mum/parent, or a retired person that had been in employment all through their life....
I don'y have a problem with a single mum of 4 choosing to stay at home, I have a problem wihts someone choosing to have whatever number of Kids, purposefully, not by accident, if they can't affor them, and I have a problem with people that DO NOT want to work, but blame all the bad on the bd bad country!

I wouldn't have thought free babysitters were needed. Surely all these gormless slags will just leave the kids with a bottle of Cherry Coke and some matches to play with?

but 3andnomore you are just making assumptions about these people you dont know their full story, you see people who are living an ok lifestyle and on benefits and assume they dont have aspirations! how do you know have you asked them? maybe they cant work through some sort of illness that is not apparently clear when you look at them.

it was me who said the free babysitting thing, and as i have to deal with my dd's for months at a time on my own i feel justified in bringing it up.

NO./...which is what I tried to claryfy....people that are honest and in need are not actually meant, are they! IT's the fraudsters, who wouldn't care less, tbh...unless they loose theuir money

Suziecutie (hi by the way, i remember you i think from a while back), you are right (i seem to say that alot, i must have an open mind or something - or be easily persuaded!), a single mum should indeed have the chance to have some respite. but i don't think you can argue that everybody would like a night out occaisionally - i have have, erm, three in the past 6 years! I do now realise that if i chose to go out without dh, i could. Fair enough.

oh fgs.....if they are open about it all you don't have to guess...

But why should we regulate how many children someone has depending on how much money they have? Do they not have the same right to have a large family?

PLEASE WILL YOU TELL ME HOW A SINGLE MOTHER GOES ABOUT GETTING FREE BABYSITTING, I AM NOT BEING SARCASTIC, I DO ACTUALLY WANT INFORMATION ABOUT WHO PROVIDES THIS SERVICE.

what you mean they actually go around shouting about defrauding the system?

and no one is saying that a single mum shouldn't have res[ite.....

honestly don't you people know people that get pregnant to get that council house, to get this or that benefit, people who will tell you all about how you can get a certain benefit you never even heard about?

Sure-start. Someone said lower down, they think through Sure Start. Okay Colditz?

colditz i posted you a message about it further down.

keep up woman

gosh, move to corby, you will learn so much if you would want to learn about this....

my post about it was vague, i will try and find out more details for you, like if its only avalable in my area etc and let you know

Colditz
Shall I babysit for you? Just bring your DCs over to my house for an evening, no problem

Did I mention that I live in Germany, I will feed them leberwurst and nutella.

i guess i'm just not that bothered with those who are not being fraudulent, even if they're on them for life, because i know damn well the percentage of people doing this is SO low in comparison the amount of money or huge breaks doled out to fat cats to get even fatter.

Sure start, Home start...ask your HV....

How can you tell who the fraudsters? this is a genuine question open to anyone? because unless you actually ask them and they admitedly told you 'yeah im defrauding the system' arent you just assuming?

Yes, people do tell other people. Loudly. Yes, silly really, anyone could be listening.

And have you TRIED getting a council house lately?
We are in a two-bed (sorry, you've heard it before) with 5 people. We are only ever offered the most dreadful streets that you would never live down because they are like a war zone.

expat...must say, snce living here, I have come to assume it';s the majority here....sad or what!