to expect to have more disposable income than single mums claiming benefits

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i no longer know why me and dh bother, he works full time and i work part time so that i can juggle the child care.

i know of 3 single mums who stay near me who seem to have more money than i can dream of, out every weekend, always shopping and 2 of them manage to run cars.

i know the benefit system is needed by some people but it seems to be a complete joke these days, the wasters in this country are leading the life of reilly while the rest of us are left to slog our guts out to pay for there existence.

no doubt i will get flamed for this post but i have been out xmas shopping today trying to work to a budget then i stand next to these people at the school gates and hear about all the grants they are entitled to so they can buy xmas presents, one of them has even cut back the last 2 months and managed to save £800, it would take me bloody months to save that up.

ok rant over, deep down i am glad i am not one of these people and i do actually work for what i have but it still pisses me of.

Dog...do you also get child benefit? Or child tax credits? Afterall, they are benefits provided by tax payers

ffs if pensioners have worked all there lifes why the hell should they not be allowed to enjoy old age, you can not seriously be suggesting that they carry on working to support people in their 20's who are to lazy to get of their arses.

i take it you claim benefits, only someone who does can come up with a statement as stupid as that

Rhubarb, that was my point!!
I was saying how hard it was for lone parents to find a job and that I may as well not have bothered!

Yeah, cause all those suffering from depression are thick and workshy huh?

Have you looked at jobs in your local paper recently? Do you know how few there are?

Ah why bother arguing with you people? You're so narrow minded you probably have cricks in your necks from being unable to turn your heads. I hope you never know what it's like to suffer a mental illness or be made redundant or have your partner die or divorce you. I hope you never have to survive on benefits and have complete strangers insult you and make presumptions about you and your lifestyle and suitability to be a mum. I hope none of that ever happens to you.

And as a catholic I forgive you for your bigotry.

of course i get child bebefit, even bloody vicky beckham gets that, i also get working families tax credit. the clue is in the name.

Lmao...you really don't know me. I'm actually self=employed, but that has nothing to do with it.

As I asked before, do you claim child tax credits, child benefit?

VS I know, my second comment was for those "others".

So Dog, you claim benefits, but don't want anyone else to?

FFS, when did MN get like this?

Actuallys everal of thsoe jobs require after hours work- the TA's at my son's school (classroom assistants) work until around 4 preparing for the next day. And cleaners have to clean when the children aren't there, don't they?

And sorry but PMSl at Nursery Nurse- my sister is one and works (oh and is a Mum.... with a Dh who mainly works on another continent- thank god for my Mum helping out!) 8am until6.30pm every day. They can't just takekids 9 -3, that's hardly fit working mum patterns would it?

The thing is there ARE jobs, obviously there are- Mum used to work in a jam factory that had all its low paid jobs 9.15 -3 so women could do them- but those jobs don't refelct anyting like the nu,mber of aprents who'd like to do them. TA jobs are usually massively over subscribed, and often require training now (as do Lab Assistant jobs ime)- there are chances for poeple on low incomes to train, there's a single mum of 5 on my degree, but she has MASSIVE issues with childcare and has to rely on her extended family a lot- even with my DH its only the fact that he's around in the afternoons for his job that allows me to do it, as the local school chooses not to offer an after school club.

If someone is retired, and has contributed throughout their working life, then yes, of course they should be entitled to a state pension. I am referring to people of below state retirement age who are physically and mentally able to work and choose not to, yet expect others to work to pay for their benefits.

school cleaner

school dinner lady

lollypop lady

lunchtime superviser

lab assistant in a secondary school

these are all jobs that would provde about £30 a week income, get real, how on earth would someone feed a family on that??
Also, classroom assistant, nursery nurse, lab assistant in a secondary school are all jobs that would require a certain standard of eduacation and would be highly sought after, so I doubt there would be enough to go round all the lone parents in the Uk, don't you?

i have no problem with certain people claiming child benefit, if you put into the pot you are allowed to take some back, if you dont put in the pot you and get to fuck.

why the hell should you be helping yourself to money that you have done nothing to deserve

Ok in, thanks for clarifying. It was because the statement was - everyone who can work, should.

Inthegutter and others, thank you for reading and interpreting my posts in the manner they were written.

For those who chose to take exception to my posts, maybe you are the ones who choose not to work when you can.

And Monkeytrousers, if it is you that has a stroke/heart attack and not me, at least I spent many years training to deal with the same,and will help anyone who is suffering irrespective of their prejudices, and being the decent person I am, I would help you.

Yup, Thatcher would be so proud. You aren't related are you gutter and dog?

I also don't understand the obsession with having to have work that TOTALLY fits around school hours. Very few jobs do. So what most people do is scrimp and save and struggle to pay for the childcare that you need. And frankly, if you're talking about beginning and end of the school day, it's hardly going to take all your wages, even if you're on low pay. It's certainly nothing compared to paying nursery of childminder all day.

Dog- can I ask, what about the disabled then? Just, have no idea if ds3 will ever 'put into the pot', will need to take though (he's very bright but if you can barely talk or understand language your chances are sadly limited)

Serious question.

Inthegutter, thats not available everywhere though- our school for example has made a decision not to offer it, and the only alternative has a six month waiting list. childminders are like gold dust around here- we have a fantastic one but she ahs a waiting list also. It's probably related to living in a rural area

Peachy, in my statement about pensioners, I was also going to ask about disabled children, but wasn't too sure how to ask it.

Glad you have mentioned it.

No rhubarb we're the same person dont ya know. FFS !!!! And FWIW I couldn't stand Thatcher. But hey, of course you know my poilitical affiliation better than I do!!

No rhubarb we're the same person dont ya know. FFS !!!! And FWIW I couldn't stand Thatcher. But hey, of course you know my poilitical affiliation better than I do!!

And lol at childminders. Not where we live!

I would choose not to work if I could.

I think raising children is work enough. You cook for them, you clean, you educate them, there was a time you know when women were expected to stay at home and work, that was considered work enough. It was only during the war that women suddenly went to work outside the home because the men were at war.

It seems ludicrous that we pay people to look after our children when we could do it ourselves, much better, for free. Our children would benefit and we would benefit from being there with them. Some women choose to work because it gives them independance, but this should be a choice, it should not be forced. When I'm dropping my ds off at nursery and he's screaming my name, grabbing my clothes and begging me to stay, I resent my workplace. I would much rather be at home with him making biscuits and playing together. I resent the nursery for taking that time away from me and I resent my work and I resent the government for making it so hard for me to stay at home with my children.

i dont think anyone on this thread would complain about people in the same position as your ds having to claim benefits, that is what the system is there for, i have yet to read a post here where someone has said that nobody has a right to claim. to problem is those who choose to claim when there is bugger all wrong with them and think it is there god given right to sit at home doing bugger all to contribute to this country but still expect tax payers to fund there pathetic existence.

How many people are in a situation where both themselves and their partner have a local job? Usually one partner has to travel quite a distance to get to work, leaving the other person with the more "local" job having to get the children up and dressed etc before getting to work themselves. (Alternatively, their partners maybe working away from home). Aren't they then faced with the same struggles as a single person? Yes, of course they are but then we're not allowed to complain!