To feel extremely depressed about how Brexit is limiting the lives we once knew.

[Persiantrio]

Presumably now, if you want to go shopping in Paris on the Eurostar, you will have to declare, queue and pay customs on any clothes / goods over a given amount at the border. How crap and inconvenient is that?

Same with any holiday purchases from anywhere in the EU? Not worth it.

Also if you order anything online that happens to come from the EU and costs over over £135, you get hit with massive customs charges of about 40%. Companies like Etsy etc are taking a massive hit as a result.

How is this “taking back control?” Its so depressing and backward. The only reason nobody is kicking off about this yet is because nobody could go anywhere anyway. People don’t realise the freedoms they had and that are now gone. What a shit and insular place to live this will be.

And I don’t wait to hear any predictable ‘vaccine nationalism’ waffle either (because that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I’m asking in this instance and we could have done exactly the same within the EU anyway).

@Newrumpus of course I teach them not to hate foreigners, what a bizarre thing to say. I’m a remainer.

[quote Catkin8]@LemonRoses Damn, if only I'd realised Brexit would stop your dog having a foreign holiday, I might have voted to remain..[/quote]
I know, right.
Poor dog pratiquer ses aboiements en Français only to have its efforts wasted. She’ll need to perfect her estuary accent instead, to integrate into the post-Brexit Little England we have become.

Try not to be so ridiculous- who's going shopping on Eurostar to Covid-ridden France or Europe.

There have been no effects of Brexit on ordinary people.

None of my online orders have attracted any tax or delays.

What world are you living in?

So sorry if your caviar costs a few pence more!

[quote LadyWithLapdog]@Newrumpus of course I teach them not to hate foreigners, what a bizarre thing to say. I’m a remainer.[/quote]
Great. Then hopefully they won’t be constrained by hatred. I’m not a remainer.

I’m not saying the U.K. doesn’t produce quality goods. What nonsense logic is that?

I’m saying we have more far more restricted choices now than we had before. In an age of globalisation, we have cut ourselves off from the opportunity to live, work (and yes, shop) in the EU. Yet I can’t see one single thing we have gained.

DH has had to close down his offices in Paris, Warsaw and Italy. Hundreds of jobs lost her in the U.K. as well. For what?

It’s no different that going anywhere else in the world, not everyone goes to Europe you know, many have been travelling much further and having to follow these guidelines

Same as lots of us also don’t pop to Europe on Eurostar either

If you don’t like it, move to Europe then

@LadyWithLapdog
get over yourself with your ‘ was down to fear and hate for foreigners.’ comment. It was nothing of the sort for the majority

I agree with you Op. Many people did take the Eurostar to Paris and it was a common thing pre- Brexit actually

There seems to be a collective erasing of memory happening in Britain at the moment, we're not allowed to remember how it was, we must accept that now is better! Bit like in 1984, when that guy shouting immediately starts changing what he's saying as soon as the government changes its mind on something.

They'll all be complaining after Covid when they find they can't travel to Spain as easily though. Hope they look forward to all the forms they'll have to fill in then!

“If you don’t like it, move to Europe then”

^ Exhibit A - Brexiteer 2021.

If you don’t like it, move to Europe then

The fucking irony of this statement.

I think OP you are missing the point. Millions of people in the UK are not affluent enough to experience much of the freedom/travel/shopping opportunities. They live in communities where being part of the EU has only brought a massive oversupply of labour and as a result, local labour markets have been undercut on wages by people willing to work a few years & live in overcrowded or poor conditions because they can take their earnings home and get a lot more for them in a cheaper European country.

Like a lot of globalisation, the better off tend to reap many of the rewards but there ARE downsides and they can be concentrated in poorer communities.

I voted against brexit but I can understand why in some parts of the country they really could not see much benefit accruing in their own communities.

Of course Brexit was due to fear and hate of foreigners. Brexiters bedfellows had this to say images.app.goo.gl/GSdKH7xkrfevYdMaA

It is frustrating to have reduced our choice.

Lots of shops won't ship to UK any longer. Not talking fancy shops, but things like - to give a recent example of one I tried - cycle shops. Much better choice and quality of accessories and gadgets and things, but they've simply decided it's too much hassle to deal with the UK now. So we're stuck with the more limited choice available here.

Scale that up with much more important shops and products, and you see how we have made our lives worse, from the trivial to the vital. It was such a stupid decision.

[quote LadyWithLapdog]Of course Brexit was due to fear and hate of foreigners. Brexiters bedfellows had this to say images.app.goo.gl/GSdKH7xkrfevYdMaA[/quote]
Or maybe it was hatred of fortress Europe rather than foreigners

If I bought an expensive outfit or ring abroad I'd be inclined to wear it for the journey (obvs not if it's an evening gown or something) and post the documents home.
How would a customs officer know that you've just bought the ring you are currently wearing?

@Newrumpus The point was nothing to do with shopping trips.

This thread is just amazing. No shopping trips to Paris! Slightly more difficult for a weekend away! No Amsterdam diamonds! My children will all be racists now! And I say this as someone who voted Remain.

There have been no effects of Brexit on ordinary people
These people are probably quite ordinary:
www.businesstoday.in/current/world/uk-lost-5000-7000-financial-services-jobs-due-to-brexit-boe/story/427224.html

Lemon Roses - You're moaning that your dog doesn't have freedom of movement? 😂😂😂

@Newrumpus immigration was your problem. Foreigners. That’s what your leaders told you, Farage and his ilk.

I thought the same Lumpy.

OP - can you stop making political points please. The issue has been decided, please move on.

[quote LadyWithLapdog]@Newrumpus immigration was your problem. Foreigners. That’s what your leaders told you, Farage and his ilk.[/quote]
You should not make such ill-informed assumptions. I have huge problems with fortress Europe. I don’t have ‘a leader’.

Haha, the lives we once knew. Shopping for designer clothes in Paris, lunch at a 5 star hotel by the Seine, and champagne in a First Class carriage on Eurostar. Hah, the nostalgia...
You should make friends with the poster on here who keeps being shocked at having to pay duty for £££ art she imports from the EU. It was a Murano vase this week.
Thanks for the thread, it made me laugh.

Millions of people in the UK are not affluent enough to experience much of the freedom/travel/shopping opportunities. They live in communities where being part of the EU has only brought a massive oversupply of labour and as a result, local labour markets have been undercut on wages by people willing to work a few years & live in overcrowded or poor conditions because they can take their earnings home and get a lot more for them in a cheaper European country.

I think this bears saying again for the hard of understanding.

@Mamamia456

Lemon Roses - You're moaning that your dog doesn't have freedom of movement? 😂😂😂

Absolutely. It’s an English setter rather than Irish setter. Very limited by the stupid vote. Hard as it is, she has to cope with greater restrictions and increased costs. Same for my husband. Although he’s not a Setter.

@MadMadMadamMim

To you, presumably. I don't know anyone that's ever been shopping to Paris on the Eurostar. Not all of the UK revolves around your type of lifestyle.

Get over yourself.

I agree. I voted remain, but not because I wanted to go on shopping trips abroad.