To feel extremely depressed about how Brexit is limiting the lives we once knew.

[Persiantrio]

Presumably now, if you want to go shopping in Paris on the Eurostar, you will have to declare, queue and pay customs on any clothes / goods over a given amount at the border. How crap and inconvenient is that?

Same with any holiday purchases from anywhere in the EU? Not worth it.

Also if you order anything online that happens to come from the EU and costs over over £135, you get hit with massive customs charges of about 40%. Companies like Etsy etc are taking a massive hit as a result.

How is this “taking back control?” Its so depressing and backward. The only reason nobody is kicking off about this yet is because nobody could go anywhere anyway. People don’t realise the freedoms they had and that are now gone. What a shit and insular place to live this will be.

And I don’t wait to hear any predictable ‘vaccine nationalism’ waffle either (because that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I’m asking in this instance and we could have done exactly the same within the EU anyway).

Sorry, spa free = spare. Apologies

@Persiantrio

I feel like we’ve moved into some pointless bureaucratic enclave. Covid has distracted people so far, but once people can travel again the full reality of what we’ve lost will hit, I think.

Pointless bureaucratic enclave... on a thread about the EU hmmm...where could you possibly mean?

Anyway, FFS not you again. For the love of god, give us all a break!

@ReceptacleForTheRespectable It just really pisses me off that people don't want other people to do what they don't. Yes sure if the pay off was 10million a week to the NHS or money spent on public services then yeah suck up not being able to shop in Paris. But it isn't is it? It's a big fat nothing and a load of inconvenience and in the worst cases suffering.

@arethereanyleftatall

Yabu. This is just getting embarrassing now. Whilst there are undoubtedly benefits of remaining in the EU, the last 3 posts have been;

1. My £k artwork has been taxed and nobody told me it would be
2. My £k glass vase has been taxed and nobody told me it would be (same poster a few weeks later)
3. I have to queue/fill in a form to buy clothes in Paris now.

Fuck me. Go and volunteer in a food bank in the time you would have spent on the Eurostar.

4. my brother and his wife have both lost their jobs (2018) as a result of Brexit.

How embarrassing is that? 🤔 According to your thinking?

Luckily, both are well educated so are now working for EU companies.

Many in their companies aren't in that position.

So please let us not pretend it is all tax on art work and cultural imports.

Wait til the Covid smokescreen clears....

You could even go for just a day and on Eurostar it wasn't that expensive on a day return. No idea what the prices are now, but it was dead cheap, cheaper than even going somewhere in Britain.

Not if you live up north. Those things are only true in London/South East.

Op,

I think this has to give rise to the most ‘tone deaf’ thread in quite a while.

In the middle of a pandemic when no one is travelling abs people are not allowed to fly to see family, you are ‘devastated’ about having to fill in some forms if you shop in Paris!

Firstly, I don’t really recall filling in forms for the odd souvenir bought in Asia or the U.S in the past. I guess that if I wanted to buy diamonds, I would fill in forms, but regular shopping, souvenirs...how many actually declare them?

Secondly, you are not regretting loss of culture or exciting travel, but retail therapy.

Are you really so shallow and insensitive to others’ travails or us this a reverse?

The thing is (I say this as a staunch remainer)... we are out now. Rehashing the why and wherefore won't change that.

The only thing we can do is keep calm and carry on, show a bit of resilience and make the best of a bad job. That's my approach. If we have to be out (and I wish we didn't) we had better crack on and try to limit the damage.

if only I'd realised Brexit would stop your dog having a foreign holiday,

The last time I went on the ferry to and from France - 2018 to be exact, I was staggered at the number of cars which had animals in them. They put a sticker on the front of the car, and put them in a special queue. No, it wasn't just one or two cars either. Looking at the sorts of cars with the stickers, they looked like ordinary family cars, so I imagine the people weren't among the 10% of the very wealthy. Just ordinary folk whose dog(s) were part of the family and wanted to take them with them, not bang them up in kennels for two weeks.

[quote ThePlantsitter]@ReceptacleForTheRespectable It just really pisses me off that people don't want other people to do what they don't. Yes sure if the pay off was 10million a week to the NHS or money spent on public services then yeah suck up not being able to shop in Paris. But it isn't is it? It's a big fat nothing and a load of inconvenience and in the worst cases suffering.[/quote]
I have no objection to people wanting to shop in Paris. But claiming it's a common thing to do is nonsense.

Like I said, I voted remain, but I think the issue the OP raised is one of the least important negative impacts of Brexit. I care more about the jobs lost, personally.

Agrée with you OP.

And sure, not everyone can afford to do their shopping on holiday above £135 but any consumer item made or imported from the EU is affected. German appliances etc. All those extra forms to import Italian foods will drive up the prices. So everything we buy will be more expensive.

I wanted to buy a table that was less than £130 (I think it was about £95) from Europe. Additional costs added on an extra £60 so I didnt. It was £95 before brexit with free shipping/ £10 shipping. So my choices have been limited.

All my friends who have small businesses selling stuff in and out of the UK are distraught.

Completely covered up by COVID. It’s so depressing. You don’t have to be a middle class person to care about it but only the middle class and above are insulated enough from the impact.

Most people have bigger worries than not being able to go shopping in Paris.

We've all got bigger fish to fry that bloody souvenirs.

Extremely depressed ? Really ? 😂

Dilemma8188
Which EU country are you considering moving to?

This thread is in fairly poor taste considering what we've all been through and lost this past year.

So you have to pay customs charges. So what? You have to pay them if you buy from almost anywhere else in the world. There was always going to be downsides of leaving the single market but to most people, customs charges on their Paris shopping haul is hardly the end of the world.

@dividedwefall

This thread is in fairly poor taste considering what we've all been through and lost this past year.

So you have to pay customs charges. So what? You have to pay them if you buy from almost anywhere else in the world. There was always going to be downsides of leaving the single market but to most people, customs charges on their Paris shopping haul is hardly the end of the world.

This! Poor taste

Newrumpus It didn't, but previously it was easy to employ staff from within the EU since they had the right to live and work here, and those families were keen to try and make a better life for themselves here. EU families have obviously been put off this idea by Brexit, so the gap is being filled from elsewhere.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Yea, apparently art from Russia and Murano glass vases are heavily hit too.

Add that to clothes from Paris and I have no idea how we will survive at all.

@Persiantrio YANBU. I took my folks and my DGM to Paris for lunch when the Eurostar was quite new. It was such a lovely day - DGM just had the best time, which is lovely memory.
Funnily enough, I also have a pair of diamond studs bought in Amsterdam.
Perhaps unusual examples, but examples non the less of the wider issues that will be felt by many more in different ways.
Just because not everyone feels the constraints in the same way, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

And just fuck off to anyone saying go volunteer the time you would have spent on the Eurostar. Just because your life is apparently shitter and you only live in a box in the street and eat 2 spoons of hot gravel for breakfast doesn’t mean we don’t get to lament real freedoms lost. That includes holidays and shopping or deciding to go live in Paris for 6m or whatever.

Yes, none of that is as anything to the lives being ruined by COVID but guess what - same shitty government to blame for thousands unnecessarily dead and actually the economic impact of that is as nothing to Brexit.

There is no ‘reducing the impact’ because the people involved do not give a shit and are useless and corrupt.

You’ll be free to travel willy nilly on your weekend breaks. Pound will get your more euros. Yes you may fill in a form on high ticket items but that’s hardly all your freedoms curtailed.
Even after leaving the EU and a global pandemic the price of food in the shops has remained unchanged.
I can’t really understand why you would be depressed when the majority of people will use Europe exactly as they always have done.

I can't get passed the "extremely depressed" element of the post title.

As a suffered of severe depression Im struggling to understand you.

I have so many judgements about you I won't bother posting.

First world fucking problems OP. Are you the same poster that started a thread about having to pay £150 customs charge on a £450 piece of glass wear or whatever from Europe?

@Wearywithteens

“I noticed it received funding from the EU. I wonder how much funding it will have lost now and how many similar places have lost funding.”

The magic EU funding money tree. Where do you think the EU gets its money from?

“the very thing that the Brexit voters hoped to stop - immigration - appears to just be coming from outside Europe now anyway.”

Despite what you tell yourself, not all brexit voters hate immigration or immigrants - some just wanted a fairer system. This is fairer and was welcomed by the people I know who voted Brexit (and incidentally not the thick, racist, gammons trope - all professional, post grad degree educated, experience of living and working abroad, multi lingual etc.)

Okay, so you think the funding it will have lost from the EU will have been replaced with funding from the taxpayer? Really?