To feel extremely depressed about how Brexit is limiting the lives we once knew.

[Persiantrio]

Presumably now, if you want to go shopping in Paris on the Eurostar, you will have to declare, queue and pay customs on any clothes / goods over a given amount at the border. How crap and inconvenient is that?

Same with any holiday purchases from anywhere in the EU? Not worth it.

Also if you order anything online that happens to come from the EU and costs over over £135, you get hit with massive customs charges of about 40%. Companies like Etsy etc are taking a massive hit as a result.

How is this “taking back control?” Its so depressing and backward. The only reason nobody is kicking off about this yet is because nobody could go anywhere anyway. People don’t realise the freedoms they had and that are now gone. What a shit and insular place to live this will be.

And I don’t wait to hear any predictable ‘vaccine nationalism’ waffle either (because that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I’m asking in this instance and we could have done exactly the same within the EU anyway).

Here's one piece of non vaccine-related good news, in relation to the review of listing rules on the LSE.

(With the caveat that the financial services industry is still very much in transition post Brexit and the Deliveroo IPO attracted adverse press due to the subsequent fall in share price.)

Hopefully this link will work....

"Trustpilot surges in stock market debut as tech companies flock to London"
cnb.cx/3vTqyqY

It is what it is now we have to accept it. I was angry BUT now I'm sad to leave the EU, I'm sad our children will not have the same opportunities for work and study that we had when young and it's all because a lot of people made ill informed choices based on prejudice, ignorance and lies...

It's no surprise to hear some businesses are struggling with the new rules. Or idiots who wanted to live in Spain are now complaining that despite voting to leave they are shocked they're now being deported 🤦‍♀️ and it's only just beginning what with limited travel due to covid....

@ReceptacleForTheRespectable

I've travelled to Europe and to non-European countries. As a tourist, I have never noticed the difference.

I don't shop while I'm away, so have never needed to declare anything. I've never noticed awful queues when travelling outside Europe. The only country I've visited where excessive form filling and admin was required was Kyrgyzstan.

Why do people think that it is suddenly going to become impossible to travel to the EU? What exactly is going to be the barrier? Standing in a slightly different line at the airport?

well that's strange, there have always been different rules.

ESTAs required for the USA and Canada had to be applied for in advance whereas you could just travel to Europe on a whim.

I know that we can currently still travel to Europe without needing the equivalent but that is not guaranteed in the future. What's to stay Spain won't, for example, put a ban on people with a conviction from entering as tourists without a visa in the future? Or people with mental health issues?

And if you have widely travelled you will no doubt have noticed the customs queues are longer for non nationals.

As others have said the impact of this has largely been delayed due to covid. Although there have been many impacted this week by needing to travel in the middle of a pandemic so as not to overstay under the 90 day rule.

It's small business who need to import materials and then export the resulting product which have huge problems. Like if you are a dressmaker and you need to import buttons from France, the material from Italy and the thread from Spain and then want to sell your product in the EU. It will be impossible to compete with EU dressmakers because the prices you charge need to go up to pay for the customs bills.

I wouldn't know about US and Canada, haven't been there. Although Canada is on my list. Beautiful mountains.

I didn't vote for Brexit, but I just find some of the issues raised pretty pathetic. It is not going to be impossible to get the Chunnel to France. Spain is not going to ban tourists - they are a major source of the country's income.

@Bythemillpond

Many people in this country are not poor, shocking as that might seem

I would say there are a damn lot of people who are very poor. More than people think. Apart from the ones who live in poverty, in poor housing, who live in areas of little employment. There are the working poor who despite working rely on benefits to top up their salary.

If you took away benefits, tax credits etc how many wouldn’t manage.

I'd agree with this. The poor are a lot less visible than the comfortably off. They have less social capital, you won't read opinion pieces about their lives in the papers, and if you do a professional job your contact with is likely to be limited to being served in shops by them (or similar).

@ReceptacleForTheRespectable

I wouldn't know about US and Canada, haven't been there. Although Canada is on my list. Beautiful mountains.

I didn't vote for Brexit, but I just find some of the issues raised pretty pathetic. It is not going to be impossible to get the Chunnel to France. Spain is not going to ban tourists - they are a major source of the country's income.

But how on earth do you know that?

They have sovereignty so can absolutely do that.

Interesting that the same thing was said about Spain not insisting that Brits should abide by the 90 days because of the money we bring, yet this week that's exactly what has happened.

Canada is beautiful. You have to apply for an ETA before you are allowed to enter as a tourist and there are some people who won't meet the requirements and will have to attend the Canadian embassy before they travel.

I've travelled to Europe and to non-European countries. As a tourist, I have never noticed the difference.
You've never noticed a difference between travelling to EU and none EU countries?
You've never noticed having to fill forms supply pictures and pay for visas?
Special countries that you even have to go in person to their embassy and ask very nicely if they'll let you have a Visa?
You've never queued for hours at JFK to be interrogated by an immigration officer?
Never filled multiple landing cards on the plane?
All that just passed you by and it was absolutely no difference to London to Paris by Eurostar?

Interesting that the same thing was said about Spain not insisting that Brits should abide by the 90 days because of the money we bring, yet this week that's exactly what has happened.

It was always obvious that Spain would apply the 90 day rule. That applies across the schengen area; Spain were never going to be able to opt out.

Genuinely, filling in the odd form has never bothered me or struck me as particularly onerous. It's just part of holiday admin, just like you arrange travel insurance. I actually had to rack my brains to remember what other countries require, it's been that unmemorable. Obviously other people feel differently.

@HannibalHayes

The British workers now have best of both worlds as they are qualified to work in the EU but won't be competing with EU workers for the British jobs.

Oh dear. No. Because their qualifications are no longer recognised by EU countries.

It's not really that difficult to understand, surely?

They have the EU qualifications already. The only place they are no longer valid is the UK.

I love people berating the OP for having shopped in Paris. Lots of Brits went to France every year, and plenty wound up with clothes or shoes or housewares or wine in their bags on the return trip, even if shopping wasn't the intention. Same with trips to Italy or Spain or whatever.

Thing is, the French and Spanish and Italians and Germans, etc, also shopped in the UK.

Now they won't.

@ReceptacleForTheRespectable

Interesting that the same thing was said about Spain not insisting that Brits should abide by the 90 days because of the money we bring, yet this week that's exactly what has happened.

It was always obvious that Spain would apply the 90 day rule. That applies across the schengen area; Spain were never going to be able to opt out.

Genuinely, filling in the odd form has never bothered me or struck me as particularly onerous. It's just part of holiday admin, just like you arrange travel insurance. I actually had to rack my brains to remember what other countries require, it's been that unmemorable. Obviously other people feel differently.

They were told it would never happen. Project fear. It was obvious to many that it would happen but the pro Brexit papers and the Leave Party were saying it wouldn't and many individuals living there didn't believe it would on the basis that they thought that Spain needed their pound.

According to this website we will need an ETIAS waiver to enter schengen areas in 2022.
Visa free will be based on reciprocity, so who knows.

www.etiasvisa.com/etias-news/etias-visa-how-will-it-affect-uk-citizens

@LadyWithLapdog

How can you possibly blame Labour when the bloody Tories have been in charge for the past decade? Have you no shame? Or do you think we’re all 18 year olds with no memory of how things happened.

Because Labour were in power at the time and were given the option to cap immigration. I don't vote Tory btw. Politically I'm in the centre and dislike extremists on both sides

And to be clear eligibility for the ETIAS will require information about financial status, employment status , criminal history and previous drug use.

The holiday to the costas really may not be so straightforward for all.

I hope our young people never forgive those who took away their rights as EU citizens.

The holiday to the costas really may not be so straightforward for all.
Oh but don't they know, we're British!

As an aside, have you seen those Leave voting dimwits in the press recently whingeing about having to leave Spain?

This has a disproportionately negative effect on poorer communities

In the main it didn't. London saw many of the immigrants and London voted Remain.

Sunderland was the first to declare the result for Leave. This link shows how much immigration each area had in 2017. Sunderland had 1% of non-British nationals. Liverpool, if I recall correctly, a Remain voting area had 9% of non-British nationals. My area has 11% of non British nationals and we were a Remain area.

I will grant that Boston in Lincolnshire did have a very high proportion of non-British nationals, so the statement is true for them and for parts of Norfolk and Cambridgeshire. Other leave voting areas like Cornwall have negligible numbers. But how many of the problems were caused by the Cameron/Osborrne austerity?

Even so, if you follow the links, twice as many non-British were from the rest of the world as opposed to being born in the EU.

Figures are from the ONS so should be reliable.

@Kendodd

As an aside, have you seen those Leave voting dimwits in the press recently whingeing about having to leave Spain?

Maybe they'll lead the rejoin movement so they'll have the right to live in their houses again.

The holiday to the costas really may not be so straightforward for all

But how much of a hassle will it be.
Will it be the same as when you go to the US as that isn’t really a huge problem. Will it be the same as in the 60s when people travelled to mainland Europe.
Again not a huge deal.

Or are the EU going to make it impossible for a British person to travel around Europe ever again.

@Kendodd

As an aside, have you seen those Leave voting dimwits in the press recently whingeing about having to leave Spain?

And no Sky tv

It's not really holidays that are the issue, it's the fact that if you want to actually live in the EU you probably won't be able to.

"You think that the EU no longer recognises e.g. Chartered Accountancy qualifications?

That's complete bullshit (on the accountancy front I can say that for certain)."

The UK has (wisely) agreed to recognise EU accountancy qualifications, therefore the EU will recognise UK qualifications.

But the same isn't the case with all qualifications. Back in your own little bubble I'm alright Jack

Will it be the same as when you go to the US as that isn’t really a huge problem. Will it be the same as in the 60s when people travelled to mainland Europe
Again not a huge deal

Back to the 60s? few people traveled to Europe, records were all paper, so little checking - are all brexitiers stuck in the 50s and 60s?

British people took 40m trips to europe pre CV, just add 30seconds per passport check on that Airbus 320 and it adds to significant delay and capacity problems.

So no, the EU wont limit travel for the UK, we did that all on own.

@Bythemillpond

The holiday to the costas really may not be so straightforward for all

But how much of a hassle will it be.
Will it be the same as when you go to the US as that isn’t really a huge problem. Will it be the same as in the 60s when people travelled to mainland Europe.
Again not a huge deal.

Or are the EU going to make it impossible for a British person to travel around Europe ever again.

Plenty of people who've been a bit daft in their youth are prevented from visiting the US, particularly if the conviction is for drugs or if they've been involved in any form of assault charge. You are not guaranteed a visa!

It won't be for the EU to make the decision it is the sovereign nations who get to determine their own visa arrangements.