To feel extremely depressed about how Brexit is limiting the lives we once knew.

[Persiantrio]

Presumably now, if you want to go shopping in Paris on the Eurostar, you will have to declare, queue and pay customs on any clothes / goods over a given amount at the border. How crap and inconvenient is that?

Same with any holiday purchases from anywhere in the EU? Not worth it.

Also if you order anything online that happens to come from the EU and costs over over £135, you get hit with massive customs charges of about 40%. Companies like Etsy etc are taking a massive hit as a result.

How is this “taking back control?” Its so depressing and backward. The only reason nobody is kicking off about this yet is because nobody could go anywhere anyway. People don’t realise the freedoms they had and that are now gone. What a shit and insular place to live this will be.

And I don’t wait to hear any predictable ‘vaccine nationalism’ waffle either (because that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I’m asking in this instance and we could have done exactly the same within the EU anyway).

This is so depressing, I can and did see men and women of conscience voting on either side of the question of staying in the EU. There are compelling cases to be made for both. I think it’s time for the petty sniping to stop.

It is not only about souvenirs, my son works for the MetropolItan police in London and to send him his personal belongings I had to go trough very hard time at the post office here in Italy and let’s hope he won’t be charged custom on his old clothes

Just de-tag anything you buy and bring back. Simples.

@Dervel

This is so depressing, I can and did see men and women of conscience voting on either side of the question of staying in the EU. There are compelling cases to be made for both. I think it’s time for the petty sniping to stop.

This. 100% this!!

Maybe its just my local Tesco but there are often very empty shelves, esp in meat, fruit and wine.

Maybe its CV related but as these didn't appear last year, then i suspect its Brexit related, after all that 40% fall in trade has to mean something wont be on the shelves.

The days of just hoping on a ferry to france (when we can) if you ve a pet, are now long gone too.

Does it matter what OP spends her money on? Her DH is being accused of all sorts for letting staff go it is life, he assume before he let staff go he paid their wage while it was possible.
I could never afford a shopping trip to Paris but others can I'd never begrudge their life.
OP isn't responsible for poverty.
On your next shop rip the tags off any clothing.

I can’t seriously believe the original post is real. If it is, it’s massively tone deaf.

I voted remain but I accept there are a very large number of people who feel utterly disenfranchised, for whom shopping trips to Paris might as well be something that happens on another planet. Maybe their concerns (whether real or imagined) didn’t centre on how easy it is to hit the boutiques on the Champs-Elysees.

@WithTeaTree

I can’t seriously believe the original post is real. If it is, it’s massively tone deaf.

I voted remain but I accept there are a very large number of people who feel utterly disenfranchised, for whom shopping trips to Paris might as well be something that happens on another planet. Maybe their concerns (whether real or imagined) didn’t centre on how easy it is to hit the boutiques on the Champs-Elysees.

They didn't build a tunnel and St Pancras for nothing.

On a "lesser" scale, hoards of people take day trips to France by ferry, shopping sight seeing or just something different.

Many people take a plane to numerous european cities for a w/e break, so why is a train to Paris so shocking?

Many people in this country are not poor, shocking as that might seem.

Why aren’t you complaining about the loss of our right to live normally and travel?
It’s not brexit that is taking away freedom, it is power crazed governments taking away our liberties indefinitely.

At least leaving meant we could get our vaccines sorted .

During the debates around the 2nd referendum we were shouted down for bring project fear; of course you can still spend 365 days a year at your 2nd property in Europe; they need our money: of course you can take your dog to Europe: it will not affect Erasmus:of course it will not affect trade as Europe wants our fish....please give me one advantage of Brexit ( and it is not vaccine nationalism).

[quote DoubleTweenQueen]@TalbotAMan "we were often ignored, overruled and the promises made to us weren't worth the water they were written on, and fundamentally we were being dragged into a United States of Europe”

Evidence and examples? I think such statements have been consistently debunked over the last five years. Bit boring to keep pulling them out.[/quote]
eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A62010CJ0411

@Peregrina

even once people know the £350m was untrue,

There's a bit more to it than that - also because they know that we value the NHS. £350 million a week for Trident wouldn't have had the same traction.

Similarly now, Johnson and cronies are bigging up the vaccine debacle - look at what a mess the EU is in. Why are they not bigging up the triumph for the NHS rollout - because it shows up the failed track and trace system in the hands of cronies, and because they still want to privatise as much of it as possible.

I don't see Johnson "bigging up" the EU's debacle. Ministers have been remarkably restrained considering the ability of some to put their foot in it.

When I was living in France until fairly recently food, clothes, cosmetics were very expensive compared to the UK and not necessarily better, so I would never go there to buy things. Going to Paris shopping is just irrelevant to life. Anyway, support the UK. That will make life better.

[quote BelleSausage]@bp300

It’s not a positive thing. It means people will have to pay for two different qualifications to work in and industry that has ties to Europe- which is many.

It means workers in U.K. industries like aviation and engineering will be out of pocket to pay for two separate licenses. How is that better?[/quote]
The British workers now have best of both worlds as they are qualified to work in the EU but won't be competing with EU workers for the British jobs.

at some point the penny will drop.

I bet it won't. I point you to this as an example -

I'm of the pre-EU generation. My parents managed to take us travelling across mainland Europe in the 1960s. Every country not in the Eastern Bloc. I doubt it is any harder now.
Yes people really are so thick they think travelling hasn't changed since the 1960s.

The British workers now have best of both worlds as they are qualified to work in the EU but won't be competing with EU workers for the British jobs.

Oh dear. No. Because their qualifications are no longer recognised by EU countries.

It's not really that difficult to understand, surely?

@LadyWithLapdog, so well put. I had no plans to jump on the Eurostar for a spot of shopping, but the limitations and consequences of the outdated and terribly misunderstood concept of making Britain great again will have repercussions for generations and it makes me so sad.

You think that the EU no longer recognises e.g. Chartered Accountancy qualifications?

That's complete bullshit (on the accountancy front I can say that for certain).

As an example, we have doctors from all over the world working in the UK. The fact that they come from outside the EU has never stopped them working here, and having their qualifications recognised. There isn't anything special about being in the EU that makes a professional qualfication worth more.

A lot more depressing not to be able to afford expensive shopping trips to Paris either before or after brexit OP which is the financial situation of the majority of the UK population.

Many people in this country are not poor, shocking as that might seem

I would say there are a damn lot of people who are very poor. More than people think. Apart from the ones who live in poverty, in poor housing, who live in areas of little employment. There are the working poor who despite working rely on benefits to top up their salary.

If you took away benefits, tax credits etc how many wouldn’t manage.

Persiantrio

Xenophobia and racism don’t always need to be explicit ... you know it when you see it. I would sum up the attitude as “I don’t do that. You’re different to me so F off.”

In the context of this thread? That is not racism!

I've travelled to Europe and to non-European countries. As a tourist, I have never noticed the difference.

I don't shop while I'm away, so have never needed to declare anything. I've never noticed awful queues when travelling outside Europe. The only country I've visited where excessive form filling and admin was required was Kyrgyzstan.

Why do people think that it is suddenly going to become impossible to travel to the EU? What exactly is going to be the barrier? Standing in a slightly different line at the airport?

To clarify - I've never noticed a difference in the admin. Obviously France is culturally very different to Australia.

The examples you give are not relatable to a huge portion of the population. Obviously these issues are important to you which is why you voted to remain. For those with no experience of the things you outline, remaining wouldn't hold the same benefit. People vote for what's important to them, not what's important to you. If you can't see why people would have reasons to want to leave, why do you expect them to see why you feel it was important to stay?