To feel extremely depressed about how Brexit is limiting the lives we once knew.

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Presumably now, if you want to go shopping in Paris on the Eurostar, you will have to declare, queue and pay customs on any clothes / goods over a given amount at the border. How crap and inconvenient is that?

Same with any holiday purchases from anywhere in the EU? Not worth it.

Also if you order anything online that happens to come from the EU and costs over over £135, you get hit with massive customs charges of about 40%. Companies like Etsy etc are taking a massive hit as a result.

How is this “taking back control?” Its so depressing and backward. The only reason nobody is kicking off about this yet is because nobody could go anywhere anyway. People don’t realise the freedoms they had and that are now gone. What a shit and insular place to live this will be.

And I don’t wait to hear any predictable ‘vaccine nationalism’ waffle either (because that has nothing whatsoever to do with what I’m asking in this instance and we could have done exactly the same within the EU anyway).

@TalbotAMan "we were often ignored, overruled and the promises made to us weren't worth the water they were written on, and fundamentally we were being dragged into a United States of Europe”

Evidence and examples? I think such statements have been consistently debunked over the last five years. Bit boring to keep pulling them out.

I have never had the life you describe.

YANBU

I’m not one for shopping trips or diamonds, but I took these as examples of the many, many ways in which we lose. I do work in a education and spent Christmas Day in tears at the loss of Erasmus.

It’s an absolute shitstorm. What pisses me off the most is that so few were genuinely bothered b6 the EU before 2016. Hardly anyone talked about it unless bloody Johnson had written one of his stupid col7mns. How easily Farage, Banks, Cummings et el whipped up a storm for which our kids will pay the price for decades. Rees-Mogg reckons fifty years to see a benefit. But at least he won’t have to declare his tax to the nasty EU.

Every time I've been to the USA we have bought back 2 new suitcases full of cheaper branded clothing. I have never had a problem bringing it back. Do people know there's a life outside the EU?

Or the UK!

‘I’m not one for shopping trips or diamonds, but I took these as examples of the many, many ways in which we lose.’

But how are we losing in that example? What are people claiming the duty on diamonds is?

A lot of this is just random assumptions.

I ordered a pair of trousers online, not realising that they would be coming from The Netherlands. They took 2 months to gey here because of customs delays, or so I was told.
That's the only Brexit related issue I've had so far but I'm sure there will be more. I won't be planning a holiday on the continent, thats for sure.

Sorry just had to go out, do only skim read since I left off.

Nobody said they’re constantly going to the Amsterdam diamond factories or whatever. That poster simply mentioned that as something that was once an option, but now probably isn’t because of customs taxes.

When people don’t have a valid argument, it’s common for them to latch on to one or two details to try and go OTT about those as an attempt to distract from the facts of the matter. So you can,”ooh Paris shopping” or feign outrage at the mere mention of diamonds all you like.., but it only exposes the idiocy of it even more.

You don’t have to know anyone who does x,y or z - regularly or as a one off. Irrelevant. It happens. People do all sorts of things.

The point is, that ALL our lives will be negatively affected by this in some shape of form. People aren’t feeling the difference yet because they haven’t been able to travel. But they will.

My husband tends to get his clothes from Amsterdam as he is more of a Dutch build. 6ft5 size 13 feet the U.K. standard fit doesn't work for him.

@Peregrina

They always manage to get away with things, why do people continue to believe them?

God knows - they even wanted more of it. As if Johnson, Rees-Mogg and all the other wealthy predominantly men in Johnson's Cabinet give a stuff about ordinary people. Johnson is whinging that he can't manage on his £150,000 salary. A lot of people would think they were in clover if they earned a fifth of that.

Yeah it's such a joke.

The worst thing is that now the tories will sweep the true impact of Brexit under the Covid rug, and people will believe that too.

How do they get so lucky? If I was paranoid I'd suspect they'd spread Covid themselves, for just this purpose.

Miljea

How can you possibly blame our immigration problems on right wing governments workers rights? If our workers rights were better even more people would come here putting strain on our resources, housing, our NHS etc.

I don’t see in the middle of a pandemic how we can judge yet to be honest . And a lot of increased costs will be down to the travel industry recouping losses and down to covid and not brexit .

Yes there are disadvantages to small companies like mine with extra paper work but as for long term I don’t really think at this time we are in a position to judge .

But for example one product we buy from Europe is now cheaper in the uk , so guess where the business will go .

Let’s reflect and judge after the pandemic is over . It’s pretty pointless at the moment .

I didn't support Brexit, but am very happy we had the power to sort our own Covid vaccines out. We are miles ahead of every European country and offering to share vaccines with Ireland soon. Just on this one small matter of life and death, I am really pleased we no longer have our hands tied.

@Miljea

So, I clicked off here and on to TV.

BBC news. How Brexit is harming the UK. How many businesses are moving warehousing into The Netherlands. And how they're hiring the Dutch to staff them.

'A growing realisation that what was once cheap and easy-now isn't'.

On right now.

Well the BBC said it so it must be true eh?

And only a few posts upthread you were the poster insulting people who voted leave by insinuating they were the thick ones.

PS Job done OP

I voted leave I am glad we left. If I don't want to pay tax on goods I don't buy them. I've never been through the Channel tunnel and never intend to.

Are you familiar with the tax duty on the £3000 Russian art shenanigan OP?

@adrianmolesmole

What a crass comment to make . The pandemic has caused job losses and debt which is the last thing any governments would want .

And covid deaths are not lucky .

You are disgusting .

@Hoorayforsunshine

At least the fishermen are happy with it all.

No, a lot of them aren’t and deeply regret to have voted for Brexit as they can no longer export living fish/seafood (that the Brits won’t eat) due to increased bureaucracy/vet certificates requirements.

It will be no different to people who holiday in America, Singapore, Malaysia, Australia, NZ etc.

All are outside the EU. You do not have to fill in countless forms as you move between these countries with souvenirs in your bag..

@TalbotAMan Whether you are in favour of immigration or not for cultural reasons, having young immigrants come to the UK is a win for the UK, it doesn’t just help the countries the immigrants are coming from.

Those immigrants are young and do not cost the UK as much as a native person because we haven’t had to spend on their education or training but we do get their tax. Because they are of working age, they don’t get many benefits etc (the biggest benefit cost to the country being pensioners).

Immigration helps smooth out gaps in our economy - maybe we didn’t train enough plumbers or health care assistants and it takes 10 years to have enough training institutions in place, but an immigrant can turn up tomorrow and start filling the gap. So we win there. And when the jobs go away, so do the immigrants.

If you think it’s easy for someone to just turn up and get benefits, well - I don’t think that’s factually true but in any case it was always open to the UK to delay people’s rights to claim benefits. They chose not to when the EU expanded to include Eastern European countries.

I think you have believed things that aren’t true.

I think if people don’t want immigration because they want everyone to be British and want to not have Polish shops etc, that is a different issue. But challenging immigration from Europe on an economic analysis is a not starter, because it works in our favour.

We still do it in relation to the NHS where we bring in lots of nurses from places like the Phillipines. We could train lots more nurses here, but we are not willing to invest in the training places or pay bursaries so we basically rely on other countries training to fill our jobs.

@Coconut2010 - I was being sarcastic. The poor fishermen were utterly used as part of Farage and co’s jolly British narrative and have been completely scammed and ignored.

And yes, I am really sad at what we’ve lost. I’m sad at the loss of Erasmus. I’m sad my kids won’t be able to work in the EU during school / uni holidays. I’m sad that it feels more of a hassle now, going somewhere like Paris, where before it was no different than going to Manchester or somewhere. I’m sad about the 300 people my DH has had to let go of as a direct result of Brexit - not to mention the offices in the EU that have closed / been scaled down.

And before anyone comes in on their high horse with “We’re in a pandemic so F off” - yes I am fully aware of that and you have no idea how I have been affected by the pandemic, But this thread is not about the pandemic.

I can’t see one positive of Brexit that makes the additional inconveniences worthwhile. Not one. Still nobody can tell me.

OP, you are seriously obsessed with this and you keep getting the same answers again and again. Please stop posting, you are embarrassing yourself now.

YABU. Only the rich minority in London are affected as you describe. The rest can’t afford to take the Eurostar to Paris for a shopping trip, let alone buy stuff to bring back.

She really isn’t.