Can we have a sensible discussion about obesity without shaming?

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I started another thread which got my thinking; why is it impossible to start any discussion about obesity without someone bringing 'will power' and 'personal choice' into it?
I always find on MN there is sympathy for those with addictions, people in poverty, people who stay in shitty relationships but there is no sympathy for those who struggle with their weight. For one, weight gain is seen as a personal struggle (you made yourself fat) rather than thought of as society's struggle (what can we do to address this and help people?)
Let's not forget that every country in the Western world is having an obesity crisis right now, yes even the Scandinavian countries and the skinny French. Also not one country has successfully managed to reduce their levels of obesity? Why?
The number one reason that we have put on weight has to be the shift to processed food and how available and cheap it is. God it's cheap! Easter eggs are now 75p in Tesco, the other day I saw a row of school kids all walking down the road munching a whole Easter egg each. But what's the alternative? That 75p would buy you absolutely nothing in the fancy health food shop across the road, and six of them would have to club together to buy one punnet of blueberries in the same Tesco so what choices do young people have?
Fat shaming just does not work. The number one reason kids are bullied in this country is because of their weight, with girls being likely to be bullied for being overweight more than any other factor. Do these kids lose weight when the bullies scream at them day after day? No, they often self harm and some end up depressed adults who take that shame with them for the rest of their lives.
As someone who has lost weight recently for the first time in their adult life I feel it coincided with a time in my life when I felt happy, busy, fulfilled, motivated and in control, which felt like the first time in my whole life. When I speak to others on the same journey they tell similar tales. The whole 'I couldn't fit into an airplane seat and everybody laughed' Take a Break narrative just doesn't ring true for so many people I know. Happiness and acceptance is much more likely to put someone in a mindset where they can change their eating habits and take control.

I'd be happy to hear other thoughts.

Tax Fat, tax alcohol tax palm oil tax diet foods out of existence.
But why punish people who can control the intake. I am losing weight yet deink alcohol and have something not considered healthy.

We will only lose this weight when proper food and drinks are cheap and freely available.
Proper food can be cheap and tap water is available to absolute majority of people. Bar food deserts (around 1 mil people and yes, that should be sorted), it's all also readily available.

@Foodroofandfamily you are not wrong

But personally, I can never understand how people can afford takeaways yet claim food poverty.

Buying a cheap Chinese takeaway would still be £25 for the 4 of us (2 adults + 2 teens), for that £25 I could buy much better food to cook myself

Basically I agree with you but I don’t understand how people can afford takeaways and sodas etc all the time

We still make choices. There is still an element of personal responsibility. Nobody forces us to get crap food (even if it is delicious to some) all the time