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This isn't ok is it???

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Notokanymore · 27/03/2021 19:43

Ok the facts - one year old child, having nose bleeds, not particularly heavy.
Happening daily, occasionally every other day, two a day in the past two days. For seven weeks. Seven. Fever for the last three days. Blood in stool (both fresh and dark) yesterday.

Advice from (multiple) gp phone calls -

  • Go to a&e if nosebleeds last over 5 minutes (it doesn't)
  • Call back on Monday if there's still blood in her poo because it's probably from the nose bleeds
  • Watch and wait (they won't tell me how long) if the nose bleeds continue we might do some blood tests.

No one's looked up her nose, apart from me. No one's willing to see if she has an infection. They refuse to see us in person because it's "not necessary".

Seven weeks.. almost 50 days of bleeding, younger than two years old. Is that REALLY ok?

(If you know who I am(because you're family and I've been moaning to you about this) please just pretend you haven't also seen me moaning on Mumsnet too)

OP posts:
Goodytoshoes · 27/03/2021 22:00

@Notokanymore

Our only options in this area are A&e and gp. I spoke to 111 when I freaked out about the blood in her poo, they contacted the gp and said she needed to be physically examined. The gp rang and refused.

If I turn up at a&e I'm worried they'll say if she's not bleeding at that exact moment in time they won't see her.

Take her to A&E and make them examine her!! Don't let them take the risk with your child, refuse to leave until they examine her thoroughly and tell you exactly what's wrong.
flametrees · 27/03/2021 22:00

My daughter started having nose bleeds out of the blue. Turned out to be a severe strep infection that affected the lining of her brain. She's perfect now. But needed intravenous antibiotics followed by a long course of oral antibiotics. I was fobbed off initially but went to GP and demanded she refer me to hospital. Which she did.

Babyroobs · 27/03/2021 22:00

Any fresh bleeding form the bowel clearly needs to be seen urgently. There could be issues with clotting/ platelets and the fact the child ha a fever too is even more worrying.

MmeLaraque · 27/03/2021 22:02

Last time we took a/our child to A&E, we waited a couple of hours (long enough to pay parking fees, which made us both cynical) before being seen. At that point, they decided to tell us paediatric staff didn't work weekends, so we'd have to return Monday morning.

I truly hope your experience turns out better than ours did, OP.

DIshedUp · 27/03/2021 22:03

I cant believe the GP is refusing to see a 1 year old

The GP might be right, it might not be anything. But they can't know that. Your child needs bloods and they need an examination from a dr. I would go to A&E if the GP is still insistent they won't see you. Its really poor, and I would complain. And I don't say that lightly, but a one year old with those symptoms needs looking at

Humpty11 · 27/03/2021 22:03

I hope you get some answers soon, what a worry this must be for you. I hope A&E take you seriously.

Splicedbananas · 27/03/2021 22:05

I am one of the most chilled person about medical matters but I would definitely take her to A&E. It's more than likely something that can easily be sorted out but you're not in a position to know that and you need to have it confirmed by someone properly examining her and doing any necessary tests. Don't be fobbed off OP. You are your child's most important advocate.

Light11 · 27/03/2021 22:06

Look if this is an infection (clue:fever) and it’s been going on for so long, with bleeding from different places, have the bloody confidence to take your child to urgent care TODAY. What if the infection turns into septicaemia? That can be very very serious. You know in your gut this is not ok. ACT.

SunshineCake · 27/03/2021 22:06

I also had a situation where 111 said my son needed a doctor and the receptionist said no.

I'd let her sleep tonight and go tomorrow morning but I'd be checking in her whenever I woke in the night.

I hope it isn't anything serious.

SionnachGlic · 27/03/2021 22:07

Go to a paediatric A&E or children's hospital...go tomorrow & get bloods done. Don't let anyone minimise because no nosebleed that exact moment. You are her voice, make yourself heard

SergeiL · 27/03/2021 22:07

Good luck tomorrow OP. Once at the hospital, I find they are very thorough and don’t let you leave without an explanation or at least a plan of action. Hope you get some answers soon, hopefully something minor. Take care.

YukoandHiro · 27/03/2021 22:10

Go to A&E and tell them exactly what you've told us and how worried you are. They will give her a good check over. Paediatric a&e is often the best place for diagnosis anyway.

whenwillthemadnessend · 27/03/2021 22:12

Reading this makes me so angry I think it's outrageous that GPs are not seeing people in person when dentists chiropractors physios etc all are are why are GPs so bloody special anyway onto your DD

My daughter is a teenager but she does get bouts when she has a lot of nosebleeds on and off for a week pretty much every day sometimes twice a day but they tend to be triggered by allergies. Is there anything new in the house that she may have been in contact with a new pet etc

But anyway get her checked out for sure good luck with her Thanks

Cushionsnotpillows · 27/03/2021 22:12

Just adding to the chorus of "see someone" and definitely complain about your GP - hopefully it won't turn out to be anything serious. That's appalling lack of care from them.

WetWeekends · 27/03/2021 22:23

@MmeLaraque

Last time we took a/our child to A&E, we waited a couple of hours (long enough to pay parking fees, which made us both cynical) before being seen. At that point, they decided to tell us paediatric staff didn't work weekends, so we'd have to return Monday morning.

I truly hope your experience turns out better than ours did, OP.

I hope I’ve misunderstood, you are surely not saying that you think they kept you until you’d have to pay parking, to make money out of you, knowing they couldn’t see you that day? I hope I’m just tired and have got it wrong!
RuthW · 27/03/2021 22:24

I work for a gp. All gps are working as normal. Please complain as this isn't right. Please ring the practice manager Monday or go to A&E tomorrow.

Ethelfromnumber73 · 27/03/2021 22:43

If a GP is following guidance correctly, they should always consider an underlying cause for nosebleeds in children under the age of two. Please go and get your child checked over this weekend - your GP has not acted correctly

Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady · 27/03/2021 22:59

I really don't think they would have looked at any parent wondering about Leukaemia like they were deranged. I think they would have understood that a parent was worried.

Well they did so I don't know what to tell you 🤷‍♀️

I'm not suggesting anyone on here is deliberately trying to scare the OP. I'm just putting across a different viewpoint regarding the medical advice/opinions sometimes given via the internet

I absolutely agree the OP needs to take their child to A and E.

BungleandGeorge · 27/03/2021 23:01

I would take a nappy with the bloody stool when you go, or at the least a sample

TypeThoseFeelingsOutGoodWoman · 28/03/2021 07:11

The second or third hysterical post telling the OP that nose bloods are VERY serious was very unreasonable. As if that person has the foggiest clue about clinically diagnosing someone.

OP, I hope you get your child seen. But nose bleeds can be quite common.
She probably has a weak vessel.

Anything can set it off. Crying for example. It can happen more in the summer because of the heat.

It can be cauterised I believe (someone might correct me on that) but I'm not sure id want my 1 year old to go through that.

lljkk · 28/03/2021 07:11

update?

TypeThoseFeelingsOutGoodWoman · 28/03/2021 07:17

Usually grow out of it by the age of 11.

Good point here about possible anaemia. If anything, that's a good argument to get bloods taken. She might need some sytron.

Does she have nose bleeds while she is asleep?

If she has never, then I'd definitely be pointing towards a weak vessel.

Also, get up some NICE guidelines and quote those over the phone to be seen.

Dustyhedge · 28/03/2021 07:28

I’ve seen a number of posts on here saying GPS haven’t seen children with worrying symptoms. Last March, I couldn’t get my 1yo seen with a fever, rash and breathing difficulties and we ended up in A&E as I wanted her seen. I could understand that last March but not now. Our GP has been back to normal for paediatrics. My 4yo has been seen for much less than the OP is describing.

Deereamer · 28/03/2021 09:19

I’d go for A and E as well - just for peace of mind. I hope your DD is ok x

LadyDanburysCane · 28/03/2021 11:12

@RuthW

I work for a gp. All gps are working as normal. Please complain as this isn't right. Please ring the practice manager Monday or go to A&E tomorrow.
I wish mine was. Phones aren’t answered I was “you are number one in the queue” for over an hour before I gave up and emailed saying I’d now had two letters telling me to arrange my smear test (one last summer and one last week) so please could someone call me. I simply got an email back saying that due to the ongoing pandemic only telephone consultations were available and routine health checks are currently not being carried out.

Sign on the surgery door telling people with health concerns to call 111 or go to the urgent care centre (a 15 minute drive away).

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