If you're still sticking to ALL the rules/guidance - why?

[RaspberryCoulis]

Will start by saying I am not sticking to the covid rules any more. Obviously I can't go places which aren't open. But we have had people in the house, kids are going out with friends probably in larger numbers than are permitted, we're crossing local authority boundaries which is supposedly illegal in Scotland. Why? Because we've been in lockdown for a year, cases here are very low, and some things are more important than Covid.

But on every thread there are people claiming that they are sticking rigidly to every single rule and guideline, never breaking ANY rule. They would probably say I was a selfish covid-denier who was hellbent on murdering their granny.

So if you're sticking to all the guidelines and rules, without fail - why? People who are clinically extremely vulnerable (officially) I can understand in part if they're not vaccinated. But the rest of you? Is it because you're scared of Covid, or scared of your neighbours, or scared of breaking the law by mistake?

I’ve broken the rules once. It was the weekend before the kids went back to school earlier this month, the sun was finally out, our kids and next door neighbours all happened to be out on their bikes at the same time and they naturally played together (while maintaining social distancing), and the grown ups were chatting from within our respective gardens. I didn’t have the heart to stop the kids playing together. Pretty minor discretion and hardly high risk, but nonetheless outside the rules.

I’m sticking to it because it’s the basically the only contribution I can make to the greater good. I’m not a front line worker, any other “help” I could provide to anyone would be increasing transmission risk. The best thing I can do is to minimise contact with other human beings as much as I possibly can. Of course, this isn’t entirely unselfish. I would like this all to be over as quickly as possibly, I benefit from the greater good as much as anyone else.

Because my mum caught covid in hospital and died. My SIL's care home had a covid infection that killed 7 of her residents and she (50 and healthy) is still suffering with long covid 4 months later.

They could possibly both have been avoided if someone had broken a chain of transmission by following the guidelines.

I am doing my bit and following the guidelines because I know the terrible consequences for someone else if I don't and I am not that selfish.

@CatsHairEverywhere2

I’m neither scared of Covid, my neighbours not the police. I simply have no wish to pass on a virus that may kill someone. I’ve got that wee voice in my head that reminds me the world doesn’t revolve around me and my wants.

Ha ha. Don't you get bored of such pointless virtue signalling?

@RaspberryCoulis despite what you think you are not law abiding. What happens when you decide you don't like Bob @no45 and decide to kill him.....or you're running late for the school pick up and drive at 35 in a 20/30 zone........sure you'll have assessed the personal arisk to you and decided to go ahead, but there are wider risk implications to Bob and the road users/pedestrians.

Where I live there is a prison and our cases/100,000 are over 3 x the national figure. Why? Because new prisoners are continuously bring COVID into the prison estate. The prison officers have no choice over (close) contact and so it spreads in the community. If people followed the rules rather than deciding to follow their own rules, the situation may have improved sooner.

It's been hard for everyone. DP and his team have worked incredibly hard on NHS contingency plans for the local area and to ensure that staffing and capacity would be there if needed. There were some incredibly close calls at times, but locally people responded to the local NHS hospitals, GP's and outreach teams by respecting the rules. Thank fuck they did.

I'm not a COVID denier but I'm not afraid of the virus either, we will have to learn to live with it until the vaccine/boosters start to give immunity in the community. The vaccine only reduces risk, do not matter how careful you/others are. Public health restrictions were put in place for a reason.....I'm just sorry the hard of understanding can't grasp that.

1. because the vaccine roll out is moving fast and it's a finite amount of time until we return to a largely normal daily life. If this wasnt the case I would be at breaking point.

2. because BiL lost his mum, whom we all regarded as family, to it in the second wave. She was not terribly elderly and was in apparently good health (she had not told anyone except her DH she had a condition which put her at higher risk). It was a huge shock, and so we are continuing to keep to the rules out of respect/fear of this happening to our own parents.

3. because I've got a lot of friends in Brazil and the situation there really is scary.

I'm still following the rules because I've found it very easy. Maybe I'm not at all sociable.

[quote NeverTrustaRabbit]**@RaspberryCoulis* despite what you think you are not law abiding. What happens when you decide you don't like Bob @no45* and decide to kill him.....or you're running late for the school pick up and drive at 35 in a 20/30 zone........sure you'll have assessed the personal arisk to you and decided to go ahead, but there are wider risk implications to Bob and the road users/pedestrians.

Where I live there is a prison and our cases/100,000 are over 3 x the national figure. Why? Because new prisoners are continuously bring COVID into the prison estate. The prison officers have no choice over (close) contact and so it spreads in the community. If people followed the rules rather than deciding to follow their own rules, the situation may have improved sooner.

It's been hard for everyone. DP and his team have worked incredibly hard on NHS contingency plans for the local area and to ensure that staffing and capacity would be there if needed. There were some incredibly close calls at times, but locally people responded to the local NHS hospitals, GP's and outreach teams by respecting the rules. Thank fuck they did.

I'm not a COVID denier but I'm not afraid of the virus either, we will have to learn to live with it until the vaccine/boosters start to give immunity in the community. The vaccine only reduces risk, do not matter how careful you/others are. Public health restrictions were put in place for a reason.....I'm just sorry the hard of understanding can't grasp that.

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Yup because breaching the Covid rules is exactly the same as murdering your neighbour.

Don't be so ridiculous.

Yes because of fuckers like you.
I don’t want to lose CEV family members.
You know hav had covid doesn’t protect you for getting it again right? People are on their 3rd infection amongst healthcare staff, some have been off work for 12months now with long covid.
The same as the vaccination you can still catch it from them.
You know socialising inside for dinner is the barn door sure fire way to catch it if one of you has it?
Glad you don’t know any healthcare workers who are broken

Because it is for the greater good
Because I do not consider myself to be special or unique. I am simply a person and people are all the same as far as covid is concerned.
Because I'm bored shitless and the sooner this gets under control, the sooner we can get back to usual life.

I am sticking to the rules more out of luck than judgement (I think I am I gave up following what was allowed and not allowed several months ago) but then I am in England and we are not as strict as Scotland but I think the more rigid the lockdown the more cases when they open up.

@HedgeOwl

Yes because of fuckers like you. I don’t want to lose CEV family members. You know hav had covid doesn’t protect you for getting it again right? People are on their 3rd infection amongst healthcare staff, some have been off work for 12months now with long covid. The same as the vaccination you can still catch it from them. You know socialising inside for dinner is the barn door sure fire way to catch it if one of you has it? Glad you don’t know any healthcare workers who are broken

I know plenty of people who aren't healthcare workers who are broken. Do they not matter?

@Megan2018 you don't have kids do you?

Oh and to be clear, zero judgement from me on anyone who is now breaking rules. It's a personal decision to weigh up the mental health & other impacts against the now clearly much reduced risks of transmission. For me we are doing ok and can manage keeping to the rules a few more weeks but I completely understand that is NOT true of everyone.

Also I should be honest and say I am doing the maximum permitted within the rules, so probably arguably not within the spirit of lockdown rules. So meeting a friend for a walk with our 4 preschool children every single week, doing my supermarket shop in person (I hate doing it online), going running with a friend (same one I meet fir walks), and have plans for meet ups in gardens with friends most nights next week.

“But the rest of you? Is it because you're scared of Covid, or scared of your neighbours, or scared of breaking the law by mistake?”

Hard to not take that as anything but an attempt to be patronising. A lot of us follow the guidelines and law to protect others, as well as ourselves. It’s not all about you.

@RaspberryCoulis ....it's very like murdering your neighbour if you consider it properly.

You have no idea what health issues people you come i to come tact have, or what health issues the people they may be caring for have.

By choosing to socialise within your risk assessed circle (not considering the wider implications on the community) you are part of the problem. What makes you above the law? I don't care if you don't like the Tories or Nicola Sturgeon, etc. I'm not asking if you agree politically, I'm asking what makes you do special that you can pick and choose the laws to suit yourself?

I probably don't need you to answer.....you aren't special. You are selfish.

Because I work in a hospital and have seen the impact of covid and want to protect others in my community. The more people break the rules the longer the tighter restrictions will be in place.

[quote SpringTimeDream]@RichardMarxisinnocent

Indeed, I wish more would follow it they want to and let the rest of us do us where we adapt and amend some of the rules to suit our own circumstances.

The covid police appears still to be a thing. The tittle tattling, curtain twitching is so school bully stuff[/quote]
The covid police appears still to be a thing. The tittle tattling, curtain twitching is so school bully stuff

Interesting how many people breaking rules choose to deflect the fact that *they are the ones in the wrong by pretending that it's the ones behaving themselves, and doing their utmost to not be the reason
someone else dies, who are in fact, doing something wrong.

The sheer nastiness and sneering tone of your post sadly reflects the whole of the CV-denying stance perfeclty. "Sheep! I'll do what I like... you can't stop me."

Every decision we make has the potential to affect other people. The reason why there were guidelines, not laws, for so much of the first lockdown was that people were trusted to make ethical decisions. It rapidly became clear that a large minority couldn't be trusted to make ethical decisions, so rules and laws were brought in. Now, people are declaring they're breaking those laws, and sneering at those who don't.

Who are the bullies?

Because it's working.

Oh yes and I’m a nice person who thinks of others rather than a self absorbed prick.

Yes I am... because the point of the lockdown rules is so that we can get back to normality.

As a teacher I'm pissed off that the kids I teach are often not following the rules and all meeting up and having sleepovers..

Because I want lockdown to be over in June, not extended and extended. But you're in Scotland so i don't really care what you do.

Long covid and that thing where your taste gets f*cked up (forever?!) that appears to happen to about 6% of people who catch covid.

@RaspberryCoulis
You seem proud that you are bending the rules and in some instances, blatantly flouting them. The activities you deem ‘not risky’ do increase risk, regardless of your opinion. Controls and mitigations have been put in place based on risk assessment and are data-driven. It’s pure arrogance to think that you know better than the experts.

@stargirl1701

I'm a teacher.

It's been made pretty clear that not obeying the law would be a major issue. If I caught COVID, it would be discovered that I had not obeyed the law.

Breaking the rules and catching covid are not mutually exclusive though.

Plenty places where you could lawfully be and get covid.

We need to stop the blame game and stop thinking that if someone has covid then it's because they have broken the rules. It's so harmful.