SERIOUSLY??? People may quit if forced to work from home, Rishi Sunak warns ?

[R2221]

No Mr Sunak. Working from home saves me 2 FUCKING HOURS of daily commute + rush hour stress + travel costs.

I work from home now. I am more productive, less stressed and happier.

I'm curious that most people on this thread have talked about Zoom meetings. I was under the impression that most forward thinking businesses used Teams rather than Zoom because Teams is more secure.

Not everyone has loved it and some people would quit, yes.

Some people where I work (often the younger generation) are in rented flat shares and working and living out of one room, incredibly lonely.

You don't speak for everyone.

Most people have told me that they like a bit of both. Bit some have tried to be in the office whenever possible for their mental health, so we all have different needs.

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing

People feel very differently about this. My close friend is really unhappy that her office is closing and she has to wfh permanently.

But I thought the way Sunak put it was a bit disingenuous.

Sunak should be honest about his motive for 'get back to the office'. It's nothing to with the preferences or well being of employees, it comes down to money, whether it be quieter town centre high streets or commercial property interests.

These are valid concerns. Like he cares about the single young twenty something who is sat in bed all day with a laptop WFH. He cares only from the money they aren't spending on coffees and sandwiches in Pret, or the money not being spent on commutes.

Rishi only cares about his fellow landlords and the likes of Pret. Wafting 2h a day on a pointless commute is shit, cruel and unnecessary. If you can't be productive from home, you're the problem, not your place of work. From my experience, the people who most enjoy the open plan office nightmare are the ones who keep wasting everyone's time with their inane chiński chats about weekend plans breakfast cereal and the weather.

[quote Hollyhead]@User133847 no I still won’t enjoy it. I can only maintain 75% productivity from home. It’s made me feel shit about myself.

Also despite claims of increased productivity from team members I haven’t seen any evidence of it by the way of extra output![/quote]
Yeah, as I say for many they'll never take to WFH. Luckily in my work the office has stayed open at low capacity which has allowed those who really don't like WFH, or can't, to go into the office.

Ideally, people will still have that choice going forward, where practical, rather than being forced to either WFH or going into the office full time.

Then you can start watching property value erode away pretty darn quick.

You know what? People might just take that on the chin if it means a better work-life balance. I know I would.

Rishi is talking rubbish and we know very well what his game is.

I much prefer wfh and l don’t ever want to go back to full time office again. I don’t want to waste my time commuting on public transport each day. What a waste of life.

I’ve been doing my job from home for a year and I’ve done it well. I hope we will all be supported to work in away that suits who we are as people. Some of the support jobs will move out to the suburbs as they are now doing.

What's so different about the office that makes a person so much more 'productive'? You can buy a cheap desk, a comfy chair and two screens.

@Moomin12345

Rishi only cares about his fellow landlords and the likes of Pret. Wafting 2h a day on a pointless commute is shit, cruel and unnecessary. If you can't be productive from home, you're the problem, not your place of work. From my experience, the people who most enjoy the open plan office nightmare are the ones who keep wasting everyone's time with their inane chiński chats about weekend plans breakfast cereal and the weather.

Open plan offices are hideous IMO but extroverts seem to like them.

Not many will quit if forced to WFH because it is so much better than having to work from the office. And confusingly I say that as someone who chooses to work from the office (although I am given the option).

But many will quit if forced to go back to office working because its pointless. If you can work from home, you should. 9-5 in the office is outdated and we should use this opportunity which we may never get again to make WFH the norm. Any employer who doesn't support it doesn't trust their colleagues to do the job they are paid to do and want to keep tabs on them, simple as that. That's not an excuse to force them into the office. WFH is so much better for those needing to sort childcare or who can avoid a long commute etc.

@Moomin12345

Rishi only cares about his fellow landlords and the likes of Pret. Wafting 2h a day on a pointless commute is shit, cruel and unnecessary. If you can't be productive from home, you're the problem, not your place of work. From my experience, the people who most enjoy the open plan office nightmare are the ones who keep wasting everyone's time with their inane chiński chats about weekend plans breakfast cereal and the weather.

It’s not that. It’s meetings with clients and colleagues that replaced with endless zoom.

What kind of work do you do?

Personally I’d like the freedom to have the choice and a mix

That's precisely it. The extroverts have ruled the world and imposed their preferences on everyone for too long. Instead of labeling introverts 'antisocial', let's give them the option not to be smothered by extroverts' neediness.

@Moomin12345

Rishi only cares about his fellow landlords and the likes of Pret. Wafting 2h a day on a pointless commute is shit, cruel and unnecessary. If you can't be productive from home, you're the problem, not your place of work. From my experience, the people who most enjoy the open plan office nightmare are the ones who keep wasting everyone's time with their inane chiński chats about weekend plans breakfast cereal and the weather.

See, this is just nonsense. Many jobs rely on face to face contact and that has nothing to do with tedious judgemental shit about people having g the audacity to speak to colleagues. Some people prefer to wfh; others don't. Hopefully going forward both will be available as an option far more.

Zoom doesn’t necessarily suit introverts more imo

Not many will quit if forced to WFH because it is so much better than having to work from the office

That is highly subjective and dependent on so many factors.

You clearly haven't read the thread if you can make such sweeping statements. For many, WFH is utterly grim.

@Moomin12345

That's precisely it. The extroverts have ruled the world and imposed their preferences on everyone for too long. Instead of labeling introverts 'antisocial', let's give them the option not to be smothered by extroverts' neediness.

And...we're off!

Introverts versus extroverts wars. As though the world is divided neatly into two little groups, with poor 'introverts' the hapless victims of overbearing 'extroverts'. The real world doesn't work like that.

@Moomin12345

What's so different about the office that makes a person so much more 'productive'? You can buy a cheap desk, a comfy chair and two screens.

Peak middle class naive response right there 🙄

If you need 'face to face' to do your job, fair enough. Most office workers really don't. That's where flexibility comes in.

@IcedPurple do tell. How does the world work?

What's so different about the office that makes a person so much more 'productive'? You can buy a cheap desk, a comfy chair and two screens.
And where am I meant to put them exactly?

[quote Moomin12345]@IcedPurple do tell. How does the world work?[/quote]
It's a place where every person has their own personality, and can't neatly be slotted into 1 of 2 little boxes, with one being victims and the others oppressors. You should visit it some time.

@RampantIvy

So many "I'm alright Jack" replies on here Our John Lewis is closing, Betty's are closing one of their tea rooms in York, the trains that run past my house are empty, city centres are dying, but hey, as long as you can work from home, order everything you want online and enjoy your insular lifestyles then the rest of us don't matter.

John Lewis are closing their store in Tunbridge Wells, too, but that's on an out of town retail park where there's nothing but shops, so not really affected by people WFH.

Our next nearest one is at Bluewater, over 60 miles away.

@Gerla if you've got a "middle class" job and can't afford enough living space for for a medium desk and two screens, maybe you should be questioning our governments' shit housing policies?

From my experience, the people who most enjoy the open plan office nightmare are the ones who keep wasting everyone's time with their inane chiński chats about weekend plans breakfast cereal and the weather

I doubt that they are any more productive WFH either TBH.

What's so different about the office that makes a person so much more 'productive'? You can buy a cheap desk, a comfy chair and two screens

A lot of people don’t have room for those, and are working in their bedrooms or at the kitchen table.

That's precisely it. The extroverts have ruled the world and imposed their preferences on everyone for too long. Instead of labelling introverts 'antisocial', let's give them the option not to be smothered by extroverts' neediness

Isn't it just replacing the introverts neediness to be “antisocial”?