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SERIOUSLY??? People may quit if forced to work from home, Rishi Sunak warns ?

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R2221 · 26/03/2021 14:13

No Mr Sunak. Working from home saves me 2 FUCKING HOURS of daily commute + rush hour stress + travel costs.

I work from home now. I am more productive, less stressed and happier.

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UserTwice · 28/03/2021 21:17

@NotAPanda

A hybrid model is best - a 2 hour commute is bearable if done half the week. Win-win! Honestly WFH is demotivating and exhausts me so much that I have no mood to leave the house after it, ironic as it sounds.
I know exactly what you mean. wfh is mentally draining in a way that working in the office isn't. Some of this is because virtual meetings are harder work than face to face ones, but there's something else as well. I suspect it's the lack of work/home separation ... that you never really switch off.
Eleganz · 28/03/2021 21:43

Those of us who can't WFH manage it fine.

I get not wanting to go back to the office if you can do your job fine from home. But it does grate when people say they don't want to go back because of the Covid risk, but are fine with those of us who have no choice but to go out to work taking that risk.

Yeah, that isn't how risk management in health and safety works. There is something called a hierarchy of control and at the top of the list is elimination. If it is reasonably practicable to do a job without being exposed to a risk then that is the way you do it. That is why office workers don't get exposed to the risk of high voltages yet line workers for power companies do. But, for work that does expose people to risk then all reasonable practicable steps must be taken to reduce that risk as far as possible.

NotAPanda · 28/03/2021 22:35

@UserTwice exactly!
Also I moved to a somewhat rural area for work - most of my friends are through work. It’s so easy to chat at the bus stop, go out for lunch /after work drinks etc. Conversation flows naturally.
My hobbies are quite niche, solitary and time consuming. I resent being told that I need to pick up a new one now just to be able to meet people.
IMO WFH only suits those already established.
Those of us who have yet to make our way in the world are left behind...

RingtheBells · 29/03/2021 06:20

40% happier working from home according to the BBC so not the majority.

Cripesitsthegasman19 · 29/03/2021 07:03

WFH has really fucked up my mental health.

urkidding · 29/03/2021 07:27

It's become a tale of two halves. The population who have to work and the people who don't care, and whose jobs are inessential. A lot of people in the Civil Service are being paid full salaries and are doing no work whatsoever. For example, the DVLA put a notice on their website saying that they will only renew your licenses if you required it urgently. Why? The whole system is computerised. There were no checks at Heathrow for South Africans by Passport Control when the South African variant was known about. (This was on BBC news.) Why are the lazy sods not working? They required only a very minimum of staff to be on duty. Why the hell haven't these people been furloughed? There has been an acute lack of benefits staff when so many people want benefits. Why? The systems are computerised. In the recent flurry of house buying, the Land Registry is full of staff who have been delaying the whole process because they haven't been around. All the systems are computerised, there is no excuse. These people are on WhatsApp groups talking about what they are baking. They should furlough these people and why the hell are the rest of us paying for them? There has been a lot of support for the health service, however why hasn't the Department of Health been more proactive? Taiwan already has great track and trace systems by January 2020. What were all these thousands of employees doing? In the meantime, there were queues outside banks, why? Small business still have cash transactions and need to pay in cash. The banks reduced interest rates to savers, however a huge number of people have fixed rate mortgages. They also stopped giving 90% mortgages to young people. My old neighbour whose pension wasn't paid in spent an hour on the phone trying to talk to the bank. The insurance sector stopped indemnifying small conveyancing companies. The fact that the Finance sector constantly cheats us and doesn't value loyalty is so prevalent that we have come to expect that we have to constantly change our insurance policies and bank accounts if we are smart. I don't believe people should go back to work in the office but those who work from home should be scrutinised. The Civil Service and the banks have failed us in this crisis.

Youngatheart00 · 29/03/2021 07:31

@urkidding I get your point about the civil service, but the BANKS? Why? The banks have been busier than ever distributing financial support. A lot of that shifted to home working but the people I know in the industry at all levels have been flat out for most of the year.

ivykaty44 · 29/03/2021 07:36

The government are worried about the knock on effect of wfh to their investments. If people wfh then office buildings aren't needed, cleaners aren't needed, maintenance isn't needed - even if there is flexible working the offices will be much smaller and possible not in the city.

Many tories have investments in this area and it could knock millions of their investments

ivykaty44 · 29/03/2021 07:38

urkidding

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-55785912

dvla have been working & in the office

Foxhasbigsocks · 29/03/2021 07:43

Love wfh - would prefer to continue doing it 100%

If people want to work out of the home they can vote with their feet and move over to businesses offering that

knittingaddict · 29/03/2021 07:52

My daughter and her partner were in 100% office based jobs before the first lockdown and have been 100% wfh since. Their employers (different companies and types of business) have now said they will be doing blended working when things get back to normal. They want to get a dog and cut down the commute so that works well for them.

My husband was also office based with the occasional wfh day. His team has worked very well during the pandemic and he thinks there will be much more working from home. This suits him too because a one way commute to the office is at least an hour and a quarter. He's in his 60's now so less time travelling all week is a good thing. I wouldn't mind having the odd day to myself, but on the whole him working from home has been a bonus.

Obviously not everyone feels this way, but I think many will.

Kazzyhoward · 29/03/2021 09:02

@ivykaty44

The government are worried about the knock on effect of wfh to their investments. If people wfh then office buildings aren't needed, cleaners aren't needed, maintenance isn't needed - even if there is flexible working the offices will be much smaller and possible not in the city.

Many tories have investments in this area and it could knock millions of their investments

Many, if not most, of all our pension funds will also be partly invested in commercial property, so all of us with non gold plated final salary schemes risk seeing a dramatic drop in our future pensions if commercial property prices crash.

With fewer commuters, we'll see a reduction in the bus and train network.

It's certainly not just Tory investors who'll be hit! It's workers!

Waxonwaxoff0 · 29/03/2021 09:05

@ivykaty44

The government are worried about the knock on effect of wfh to their investments. If people wfh then office buildings aren't needed, cleaners aren't needed, maintenance isn't needed - even if there is flexible working the offices will be much smaller and possible not in the city.

Many tories have investments in this area and it could knock millions of their investments

And put lots of working class people out of work, like the cleaners you mentioned.
Hollyhead · 29/03/2021 09:05

@Kazzyhoward absolutely - it amazes me how ignorant people are of how the economy (rightly or wrongly) works.

Get saving your season ticket money because you'll need it to make up for the 25% shortfall in your pension.

Kazzyhoward · 29/03/2021 09:13

@urkidding

It's become a tale of two halves. The population who have to work and the people who don't care, and whose jobs are inessential. A lot of people in the Civil Service are being paid full salaries and are doing no work whatsoever. For example, the DVLA put a notice on their website saying that they will only renew your licenses if you required it urgently. Why? The whole system is computerised. There were no checks at Heathrow for South Africans by Passport Control when the South African variant was known about. (This was on BBC news.) Why are the lazy sods not working? They required only a very minimum of staff to be on duty. Why the hell haven't these people been furloughed? There has been an acute lack of benefits staff when so many people want benefits. Why? The systems are computerised. In the recent flurry of house buying, the Land Registry is full of staff who have been delaying the whole process because they haven't been around. All the systems are computerised, there is no excuse. These people are on WhatsApp groups talking about what they are baking. They should furlough these people and why the hell are the rest of us paying for them? There has been a lot of support for the health service, however why hasn't the Department of Health been more proactive? Taiwan already has great track and trace systems by January 2020. What were all these thousands of employees doing? In the meantime, there were queues outside banks, why? Small business still have cash transactions and need to pay in cash. The banks reduced interest rates to savers, however a huge number of people have fixed rate mortgages. They also stopped giving 90% mortgages to young people. My old neighbour whose pension wasn't paid in spent an hour on the phone trying to talk to the bank. The insurance sector stopped indemnifying small conveyancing companies. The fact that the Finance sector constantly cheats us and doesn't value loyalty is so prevalent that we have come to expect that we have to constantly change our insurance policies and bank accounts if we are smart. I don't believe people should go back to work in the office but those who work from home should be scrutinised. The Civil Service and the banks have failed us in this crisis.
You can also add he NHS where some staff have had to work harder and in awful conditions but others have been able to sit at home (or in remote offices) and do little more than bugger all.

Anything non covid has basically been shelved, and yes, whilst some staff have been redeployed, others havn't and have nothing to do.

It's now 2 years since I've had my "essential" yearly diabetic eye test. Why? Opticians are open, I can have my normal eye test with my normal optician, but whenever I chase the diabetic eye test done by NHS, it's a resounding "no" - "due to covid". Likewise not had a routine foot test with our GP surgery - again, "essential" to do it yearly, but their diabetic nurse is working from home so can't actually do any physical checks.

"Essential" regular dental check ups - available if you're private, but not available under the NHS. Why? How is it "safer" for the same dentist to do a private check up but unsafe for that same person to do a NHS test?

My OH has cancer. His treatment was abruptly stopped last March "due to covid" and he was abandoned completely until July - the oncology dept was shut (we went in person, all shuttered up!), Whenever he phoned, it was an answerphone and no one ever phoned back. We later found out they'd moved the entire dept to a hospital in the next town but hadn't bothered to tell their patients! Instead of restarting in July, they dithered about and he only restated the proper chemo treatment last month when his levels got dangerously high and he was started to suffer broken ribs etc.

Not to mention all the "telephone" appointments he gets booked in for which never happen. Only last week he had a phone appt with the oncologist. Appointed time came and went. He phone up after an hour to be told "you're next in line". An hour later he phoned again, spoke to a different receptionist only to be told his oncologist had gone for the day (apparently it was his half day!). No apology for their failing to call. If that had been a normal "face to face" consultation, OH would have been sat outside the guy's office and would have been seen.

Daffi · 29/03/2021 09:17

If you swear that much now you are less stressed who knows what you were like before?????

user1497207191 · 29/03/2021 13:43

Let's hope the Govt force NHS workers currently wfh back to their normal workplaces. So many of them are simply uncontactable and the service seems to be going to pot.

OH has been trying to contact his haematologist for nearly 2 weeks now since she failed to phone him for a schedule telephone consultation ahead of this week's chemotherapy. He's left messages with the oncology dept administration office, the receptionists at the oncology dept, etc., Both said they'd emailed the consultant and the consultant's secretary, but we've still heard nothing from either. Apparently her secretary is working from home, but of course, they're not giving us her email address nor direct telephone number, so we can't even try to contact her directly. All the admin/receptionists can do, they say, is send emails, which they've done and now fob us off saying we have to wait and see if she gets back to us.

This is for urgent treatment for a life threatening condition, but the staff we can talk to aren't the ones making decisions and seem annoyed with us when we try to make contact with the decision makers. It's not our fault! There's no proactivity at all - everything we do has to be originated/chased by us, and all the time the consultant and her secretary are basically in hiding!

I can understand wfh when the hospitals were overun with covid, but covid hospitalisations are now at very low levels again. The oncology dept isn't even in the main hospital building - it's a separate building yet it's still "Marie Celeste" with barely any staff and the day treatment centre (chemo etc) is suspiciously quiet when it's usually busy (last time there were only 2 patients instead of the usual 10+).

We really need to get people who need to be at work, back to work, so they can do their jobs properly, and in the case of the NHS, get back to saving the lives of people who don't have covid!

Egghead68 · 30/03/2021 00:10

I’m sorry to hear that but I suspect it would be the same wherever they were working from.

diamondsarentagirlsbestfriend · 30/03/2021 16:55

I think wfh is a bit like Marmite you either love it or hate it.

I personally love it. However it does have its drawbacks, so can understand why it might not be for everyone.

dayslikethese1 · 01/04/2021 00:11

I wonder if London employers will stop paying the weighting/higher salaries since they can theoretically recruit from anywhere if its all WFH?

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 01/04/2021 07:58

I nearly cried when one of our managers let slip they were looking at hybrid working. If that is the case it looks as though I might be looking for a new job when things reopen.

Sansaplans · 01/04/2021 08:00

@dayslikethese1

I wonder if London employers will stop paying the weighting/higher salaries since they can theoretically recruit from anywhere if its all WFH?
Yes of course they will, why would they pay extra to entice people to work in the city if they can live elsewhere? The same happened with tech companies in San Diego.
Foxhasbigsocks · 01/04/2021 08:06

I don’t agree to be honest as the hours are still crazy even if they are from home. Part of the salary uplift reflects that

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 01/04/2021 08:29

A lot of people work ‘crazy’ hours and don’t get London allowance.

TheKeatingFive · 01/04/2021 08:32

I don’t agree to be honest as the hours are still crazy even if they are from home. Part of the salary uplift reflects that

That’s not what a ‘London weighting’ is for though. The clue’s in the name.

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