To think that the EU have done more to endorse Brexit in the last 2 weeks than the UK managed in nearly 5 years

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I’ll start by saying I’ve never thought Brexit was in the long term interest of the UK and still don’t

But dear God, the EU’s behaviour over vaccinations and, in particular, the blatant prejudice around the Astra Zeneca vaccine has done more to endorse the UK leaving than anything that has been said in the UK before, during and after the vote

@LadyWithLapdog

I mean 125,000 deaths but, oh look, let’s look the other way. Read the american papers and you’ll see a different reporting. It’s not just as the right wing press in the tells you it is.

Yes we’ve been hit hard maybe that’s why the idea of the export ban is stressful

Some of us don’t read right wing paper but listen to people from EU and regulatory bodies

What’s your take then?

I think all this has proven is how much of an international powerhouse the UK is. The reason why they could move so fast is because UK companies not only have international supply chains, the UK government is able to move fast when it wants to. I wouldn’t be surprised if this fiasco results in a quicker free trade deal, once the politicking is finished.

I was thinking about this earlier and it probably goes some way as to why the EU were so insistent that the U.K. operate on a ‘level playing field’ post Brexit where we adhere to the EU rules in perpetuity even though we are no longer a member. They have stated previously (more than once) that they don’t want U.K. to be a competitor or to seek any advantages once we were out.

I think the EU may have inadvertently handed us an advantage with their vaccine shenanigans - the irony

125,000 dead people but let’s enjoy being top dog about the vaccine supply. Cos greed is good, as Johnson tells his cronies.

@LadyWithLapdog

125,000 dead people but let’s enjoy being top dog about the vaccine supply. Cos greed is good, as Johnson tells his cronies.

Or feel thankful about moving on from the hardest year with one of worst death rates due to vaccines.

But you do you as they say.

Many EU countries have a higher % of fully vaccinated people more than the UK. It's a dangerous game that Boris has played delaying second doses beyond the tested time frame. Let's hope that plays out well for everyone and that this current fiasco doesn't mean people are waiting even longer again for that dose.
Boris handled the virus worse initially than many other countries and cost people their lives needlessly. It remains to be seen how this gamble will pay off.

@Figrollface

Many EU countries have a higher % of fully vaccinated people more than the UK. It's a dangerous game that Boris has played delaying second doses beyond the tested time frame. Let's hope that plays out well for everyone and that this current fiasco doesn't mean people are waiting even longer again for that dose. Boris handled the virus worse initially than many other countries and cost people their lives needlessly. It remains to be seen how this gamble will pay off.

Delay is down to regulatory body decision not Johnson

The delay in the 2nd dose was a political decision.

Yes, and if you want to know about why delay between doses is sensible, you could better than to listen to the BBC's brilliant "How to Vaccinate the World" podcast. They have amazing experts speak every week about how vaccine development is going, along with the economics and politics of vaccines.

Better the Daily Mail in spades.

@LadyWithLapdog

The delay in the 2nd dose was a political decision.

No it was advised

@LexMitior

Yes, and if you want to know about why delay between doses is sensible, you could better than to listen to the BBC's brilliant "How to Vaccinate the World" podcast. They have amazing experts speak every week about how vaccine development is going, along with the economics and politics of vaccines.

Better the Daily Mail in spades.

Exactly

Oh the delay is backed by the British vaccine establishment, Professor David Salisbury etc. These are responsible people, why are they interested in mucking about with people's lives. They want to get rid of COVID.

I don't like Johnson but you know what, these people are great. They know what they are doing.

Boris choose to delay in order to give the max amount of people the minimal protection from one dose. The rest of the EU suck to what has been proven and tested and is fully vaccinating its most vulnerable first which will go turn prevent deaths and keep pressure off their health services.
I really hope the already astounding planned delay in second doses doesn't get drawn out to the point where full protection is compromised even further due to optics been deemed more important.

Sure, it was all science and nil to do with politics. How naive.

Idiotic to gloat about vaccine supply. You’ll all be wanting holidays abroad and a world free of Covid.

@Figrollface

Boris choose to delay in order to give the max amount of people the minimal protection from one dose. The rest of the EU suck to what has been proven and tested and is fully vaccinating its most vulnerable first which will go turn prevent deaths and keep pressure off their health services. I really hope the already astounding planned delay in second doses doesn't get drawn out to the point where full protection is compromised even further due to optics been deemed more important.

Again Johnson didn’t choose it. Scientific experts advised it - JCVI to be exact.

That is all your supposition, whereas there is respectable scientific evidence that a delay between doses is sensible.

However, do you have evidence to support what you say? There are a lot of eminent people who disagree.

@LadyWithLapdog

Sure, it was all science and nil to do with politics. How naive.

Idiotic to gloat about vaccine supply. You’ll all be wanting holidays abroad and a world free of Covid.

Do you listen to anything informative?

Or is all clickbait headlines

You haven’t given your version just sniping

AstraZeneca is optimum with 12 week gap, the other two dose vaccines is 3/4 weeks.
It's actually quiet scary that people want not to believe the scientists who developed these vaccines and choose to believe people with a political agenda.
The EU gives two fold protection against idiots like Boris & Co, with its own criteria and individual countries.

@LadyWithLapdog

Sure, it was all science and nil to do with politics. How naive.

Idiotic to gloat about vaccine supply. You’ll all be wanting holidays abroad and a world free of Covid.

Does it occur to you that political aims, such as Johnson's may just chime with the scientific evidence available, and is valid?

There used to be such a thing as evidence based policy in this country, and this is it. The politics sit well with it, which annoys some.

@Figrollface

AstraZeneca is optimum with 12 week gap, the other two dose vaccines is 3/4 weeks. It's actually quiet scary that people want not to believe the scientists who developed these vaccines and choose to believe people with a political agenda. The EU gives two fold protection against idiots like Boris & Co, with its own criteria and individual countries.

Are you unable to read?

It was JCVI not politics

Here you go www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/covid-19-uk-vindicated-over-brave-decision-to-delay-second-vaccine-dose-who-official-says-12211550

Oh, give it a break. Go and gloat some more about Brexit and poor Johnny Foreigner. FFS.

@LadyWithLapdog

Oh, give it a break. Go and gloat some more about Brexit and poor Johnny Foreigner. FFS.

You give it a rest

Got nothing good to say about U.K. scientists or people actually getting us out if this

I’m sure you’re doing a cracking job sniping away

I voted remain anyway so you can stuff that too

I’ll leave you with this: 125,000 deaths. But you gloat away about Brexit, Johnson and the flag.

@LadyWithLapdog

I’ll leave you with this: 125,000 deaths. But you gloat away about Brexit, Johnson and the flag.

Yes I will say our scientists have done a good job

You sit there with hatred for all and moan away

Marsha can you not read or perhaps understand the written word?
The UK went against what the manufacture developed was proven to work.
They now face a situation where their stupidly stretched schedule for second doses may not be able to be achieved due to changes in supply or else they now have to only focus on getting only second doses out leaving them on par at best with most other developed world countries.
You've fallen for the optics of a first Ford and the partial protection it gives.

The EU has also learned a valuable lesson on Brexit early on and will protect themselves much more vigorously in future to ensue as a bloc the UK will have minimal impact on how they do business.

Funny you missed them out in your list.

Got stuck on the things I’m not even talking about.

Typical