To think that the EU have done more to endorse Brexit in the last 2 weeks than the UK managed in nearly 5 years

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I’ll start by saying I’ve never thought Brexit was in the long term interest of the UK and still don’t

But dear God, the EU’s behaviour over vaccinations and, in particular, the blatant prejudice around the Astra Zeneca vaccine has done more to endorse the UK leaving than anything that has been said in the UK before, during and after the vote

I think what actually helped us was the timing too. We have had our third wave with the Kent variant and it was pretty horrendous to say the very least, so if you have been through that you are going to feel much more keen to get any vaccine you can to spare you the same fate.

If you are in Germany or Denmark, and you have had very little experience with covid, and haven't lost people and felt the terror and stress of a massive wave, then maybe you feel you have the luxury of time to decide whether a vaccine is good enough or not. Maybe post third wave they will feel the same as us.

Give me a vaccine, any vaccine kind of feeling.

That said, most people do their own research and take great care about ensuring that the vaccines are ALL safe. There is a lot of trust here for the regulation agency and with good reason, because it is world class.

Much of the trust we see from different countries will have taken decades to achieve or not as the case may be, and those low on trust may have good and valid reasons why they are hesitant. We are lucky in the UK that we have always had a very careful approach to medicine and regulation, and most people feel very grateful to have the vaccine and feel high confidence.

We signed contracts before the EU (as they were buggering about swamped in red tape) and our contracts stipulated that our vaccines were to be supplied regardless of other orders coming in. The EU then signed without this clause so have to wait for our orders to be fulfilled.

EU ( especially France and Germany) were hoping the French vaccine would be cleared and they'd be ok. It wasn't and they are now panicking so trotting out this blood clot shite.

Our orders should be fulfilled first because that's what was in the contracts. Nothing to do with GB against the EU.

I thought it had now come to light that the UK actually signed on the dotted line the day after the EU signed theirs.

Not true fat It was in fact eights week before the EU in the end.

Only 17 people died in the UK yesterday, that statistic says more about the vaccine than any government could.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/astrazeneca-signed-vaccine-contract-with-eu-at-the-same-time-and-with-the-same-terms-as-uk-221293/

The real issue fat is that the EU considered the UK factories to be included as part of the EU - well in fact brexit means that the UK is officially outside the EU. So therefore not part of the agreement.

That is the sticking point. No one actually knows what the contracts contain as they were never shared, and couldn't be for legal reasons. So it is all speculation.

The point is until the Europeans use their stockpile, and find some trust in their governments and in the vaccines, there is very little point arguing over more vaccines! You need to sort out the trust issues first no?

Vaccines aren't given out the day they arrive in the EU. They have to be distributed to the member states, then distributed within the member states. Once the vaccination centres receive the vaccines invitations are sent out to the recipients who have to book appointments. My health authority doesn't give out first doses unless they also have the second dose in their possession. All of this takes time so there will always be a 'stockpile' of unused vaccines.

The UK has one too.

The anti EU rhetoric here is vile. I don't see any anti UK stuff in our media or on our discussion forums. You barely get a mention. Why are you so obsessed with us? You left, get over it.

@FatCatThinCat

Vaccines aren't given out the day they arrive in the EU. They have to be distributed to the member states, then distributed within the member states. Once the vaccination centres receive the vaccines invitations are sent out to the recipients who have to book appointments. My health authority doesn't give out first doses unless they also have the second dose in their possession. All of this takes time so there will always be a 'stockpile' of unused vaccines.

The UK has one too.

The anti EU rhetoric here is vile. I don't see any anti UK stuff in our media or on our discussion forums. You barely get a mention. Why are you so obsessed with us? You left, get over it.

Yeh of course not like that German MEP going on about making people suffer.

Then all the AZ quasi ineffective stuff.

As for chat forums people love to go in and on about U.K. issues from o/s. Not sure why. You must have your own forums,

Just seen on my newsfeed that Norway have said that 4 young women have now died in Norway following vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine.

Norway has paused it iirc. Other countries haven’t.

Would you take AZ Fat if offered?

@MarshaBradyo

Norway has paused it iirc. Other countries haven’t.

Would you take AZ Fat if offered?

No as I've already had the Pfizer one. Would I want my DD to take the AZ one? No, as she spent 6 months in hospital in 2019 with the same problem that is being investigated in connection with the AZ vaccine. To much of a risk as far as I'm concerned. Would I want my DH to take the AZ one? Sure, he's tough as old boots and works with far more dangerous substances every day. He should be dead already with all the noxious chemicals he's come into contact with.

But it's a moot point at the moment as AZ is suspended here too as we've also had deaths in younger, healthy people which the authorities suspect may be connected to it..

The real issue fat is that the EU considered the UK factories to be included as part of the EU - well in fact brexit means that the UK is officially outside the EU. So therefore not part of the agreement

You're not going to convince any of us that "the EU" didn't notice that the UK was no longer part of the EU. Nice try, but no.

As for chat forums people love to go in and on about U.K. issues from o/s. Not sure why. You must have your own forums

You're going on all the other countries in the world chat forums and following them talking about the UK? You must speak a LOT of languages and never sleep! Also why? Don't you have your own forums?

(As we all know, you actually have no clue what people "overseas" are talking about on their chat forums)

@jellybellybanana

As for chat forums people love to go in and on about U.K. issues from o/s. Not sure why. You must have your own forums

You're going on all the other countries in the world chat forums and following them talking about the UK? You must speak a LOT of languages and never sleep! Also why? Don't you have your own forums?

(As we all know, you actually have no clue what people "overseas" are talking about on their chat forums)

Lol no the opposite I never bother with your chat forums to tell you your country has big issues

That’s the point.

@FatCatThinCat

But it's a moot point at the moment as AZ is suspended here too as we've also had deaths in younger, healthy people which the authorities suspect may be connected to it..

Where are you?

I have no issues with using AZ. Dh had his lucky thing but I just got bumped when so close.

I trust the regulatory bodies to make the right call and we’ve had near 30m doses so far and we’d know if there was an issue worth pausing over

Lol no the opposite I never bother with your chat forums to tell you your country has big issues

So how do you think you know what everyone else o/s is talking about?
Keep up with yourself, even if you can't keep up with everyone else!

@Twinkie01

We signed contracts before the EU (as they were buggering about swamped in red tape) and our contracts stipulated that our vaccines were to be supplied regardless of other orders coming in. The EU then signed without this clause so have to wait for our orders to be fulfilled.

EU ( especially France and Germany) were hoping the French vaccine would be cleared and they'd be ok. It wasn't and they are now panicking so trotting out this blood clot shite.

Our orders should be fulfilled first because that's what was in the contracts. Nothing to do with GB against the EU.

Yeah, none of that is true

Plus this is happening and 17 deaths yesterday

Data looks good

@jellybellybanana

Lol no the opposite I never bother with your chat forums to tell you your country has big issues

So how do you think you know what everyone else o/s is talking about?
Keep up with yourself, even if you can't keep up with everyone else!

Posting from o/s on issues U.K. face on mn. That focus has been consistent throughout this. I don’t think people bother to do the opposite. Maybe they do - is that what you see?

That said, most people do their own research and take great care about ensuring that the vaccines are ALL safe

This sort of statement always makes me laugh.
If you're the average Joe Bloggs why would you be idiotic enough to think for a minute that you are in any way qualified to "do you own research" on vaccine safety? I think that's part of the problem with the world today (not just about vaccines), so many people overestimate their own intelligence and underestimate how much experts know.

@TheMancunianCandidate the contract signing etc is thats well published and you can look up who signed what and when

@FatCatThinCat is that not the ones that have already been investigated ?