To think that the EU have done more to endorse Brexit in the last 2 weeks than the UK managed in nearly 5 years

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I’ll start by saying I’ve never thought Brexit was in the long term interest of the UK and still don’t

But dear God, the EU’s behaviour over vaccinations and, in particular, the blatant prejudice around the Astra Zeneca vaccine has done more to endorse the UK leaving than anything that has been said in the UK before, during and after the vote

To think that the EU have done more to endorse Brexit in the last 2 weeks than the UK managed in nearly 5 years

Yes, and I think there is a strong chase that Brexit may go through now.

@PantherPantherus

Well, you want to stick to reported matters imo

@LexMitior yes I agree plus we could all say we are anyone on here , I mean I could be Boris

@Suzeyshoes

I think you need to remember that everything you know about the situation has been written by the media, on the whole pro brexit, right wing, checked and underlined by Boris Johnson, in a country which is trying to to convince itself brexit was a good idea.

Reporting has been very different elsewhere in the world and, as somebody with a half European family, I’ve definitely noticed a huge increase in xenophobic comments since January. It’s like the floodgates have opened.

This sums it up for me. As someone living in the EU I don't recognise most of what is being said on these endless EU threads. Our news is very, very different to the pro brexit news in the UK.

Like someone else said in my country we haven't had anything near the awful death rate of the UK so I suspect that in itself changes how we view things.

@OuiOuiKitty but thats like most countries really the news is about that country
Some of what the eu has said though is broadcast and has been said so thats fact
What eu country are you in as it seems many have been hit hard as well

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@OuiOuiKitty but thats like most countries really the news is about that country
Some of what the eu has said though is broadcast and has been said so thats fact
What eu country are you in as it seems many have been hit hard as well [/quote]
Ireland. Our deaths per million are half of that of the UK so a significant difference to the very sad stats in the UK.

@OuiOuiKitty hopefully it stays that way so much difference between countries with some larger countries being hit hard but also some smaller ones also being badly hit
Overall eurooe has a whole has been hit badly in general

Its not been good for most of us and it doesn't seem to be going away if its own accord.
Do ireland still have strict rules ? As they appeared to act quickly looking at it from the outside .

But in actual fact he did tell the MRHA in no uncertain terms to approve it before the EU, despite missing a large number of dossier components. DH works in pharma regulation and it’s well known in the industry.

It’s almost as if you’re suggesting the PM has no integrity.

I was neutral-ish on EU. But now definitely glad to be out of it.

@Ijustknowitstimetogo its quite a bold statement to make when really if true it would surely be a huge breach of confidentiality

@Dongdingdong

The proof, if anywhere needed, is that the UK's infection and death rate was way ahead of anything on the continent in Dec/Jan and testing showed that europe had few English variants in December.

And I’m afraid that isn’t proof at all. Like I said before, it’s interesting how the variant was discovered in Kent, a major port and the county with the closest connection to um, er... Europe!

It's a nice try but it arrived in Europe much later and you can trace its genetic map. Scientists think it started in an immunosuppressed person who would have had it long enough for it to mutate.

It's a bit weird you've posted a few times now about this. Like you're doing a big PR drive for the variant! The place a variant mutates isn't at fault you know. It's a random mutation, they happen everywhere, this one got "lucky."

“Allowed the export”? “Send the vaccine”? Why do you say that as if it’s some sort of altruistic act? Or are you yet another poster who doesn’t understand that the EU doesn’t own every single factory that is based in the EU?

You are yet another poster who doesn't realise the UK has export blocks on many products, inc medicines sold on for profit to the EU.

Its not about the UK or the EU owning factories, its about countries acting in what they see as their national interest, the UK wrote into contracts a UK first clause, hence we have fantastic supply, the EU is seeing huge infection rates and subsequent deaths, they have to act accordingly.

Or are you suggesting they send vaccines to countries where CV is no longer rampant, whilst their citizens die in their 10s of '000s?

No, i am not defending the EU at all, on vaccines they have screwed up.... but i just think we should be working together but why is it if EU threatens to block vaccine export, they are bullies, anti competitive even nazi's, if India does similar, its supply problems.....

It is not a secret that the majority of their staff had to be drawn not from London staff as anticipated, but largely had to start from scratch

Do you just make stuff up?
Just 25% of London based staff didn't move to Amsterdam, 75% did, over 100 UK based medical firms moved to Amsterdam.

Of course Brexit caused issues with the EMA but thats just another impact of our decision on other countries not of their making.

But in actual fact he did tell the MRHA in no uncertain terms to approve it before the EU, despite missing a large number of dossier components. DH works in pharma regulation and it’s well known in the industry.

So you think the MHRA cut corners?

I always find these sort of bold claim / pretend inside knowledge posts so suspect.

@MarshaBradyo

But in actual fact he did tell the MRHA in no uncertain terms to approve it before the EU, despite missing a large number of dossier components. DH works in pharma regulation and it’s well known in the industry.

So you think the MHRA cut corners?

I always find these sort of bold claim / pretend inside knowledge posts so suspect.

Agree, any govt interference in the working of the MHRA would devastate confidence in vaccines.

Obviously emergency approval is going to be much faster than full market approval.

We were/are in an emergency after all and the British variant meant we had to act quickly.
EU didn't have this variant, so took a longer, more cautious route, just as the USA has done, an even longer one.

Does nobody care about our crashing industries?

I think it was reported in the press at the time the Gov leaned on the MRHA to hurry up. I think it's one of the fee time Gov did things right. Even if there were problems with a vaccine it's highly unlikely they would be as bad as covid.

As for this
And I’m afraid that isn’t proof at all. Like I said before, it’s interesting how the variant was discovered in Kent, a major port and the county with the closest connection to um, er... Europe!
Wtf!
Are you trying to imply the Kent variant started in Europe and attribute some sort of blame? I must be reading this wrong because surely nobody is that stupid. It is completely meaningless where it mutated, its nobody's fault. I can totally see why the WHO now ensure new viruses aren't named after the place they first emerged with idiotic thinking like that.

Although I did vote Remain, I was never a blind worshipper of the EU, but even so, one thing I read (from a German journalist) recently was a bit of an eye opener. I.e. that Ursula VDL made a pig’s ear of her former post in the German government, so Merkel saw fit to get her out of the way by shoving her off to the EU commission. As was/is apparently common practice among EU member states, according to said journalist.

Rubbishing the AZ vaccine has IMO been more down to Macron than anyone else, and in his case IMO it’s been largely out of resentment/pique/wounded French pride, because the French Sanofi vaccine that they were relying on, didn’t work, although I gather that they’re still working on it.

A French friend of a dd is so angry with him, she thinks he should be jailed.