To think that the EU have done more to endorse Brexit in the last 2 weeks than the UK managed in nearly 5 years

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I’ll start by saying I’ve never thought Brexit was in the long term interest of the UK and still don’t

But dear God, the EU’s behaviour over vaccinations and, in particular, the blatant prejudice around the Astra Zeneca vaccine has done more to endorse the UK leaving than anything that has been said in the UK before, during and after the vote

@HannibalHayes or just not believe either of them or look up the sources yourself for a more balanced view
I read neither paper

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@QuentinInQuarantino I am sure I read somewhere that people alive today sometimes still have spanish flu antibodies or something like that.
Didn't spanish flu also just disappear after about third wave , hears hoping covid does the same and just disappears[/quote]
That's fascinating!

I think so, about 2 years. iirc the waves differed greatly in severity too. It must have been so awful mentally to get though the first one to have it come back so much more deadly.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@ListeningQuietly still missing the point that the figures include the test etc im nit saying the actual t&t part was a success but I don't think its right to report the money was all spent on t & t admin/ wages etc its a lot more than that
But again we digress from the thread [/quote]
That NAO report is on Dido Harding's failed scheme

Vaccines are run by Kate "my name is at the start of the alphabet" Bingham

The vaccination campaign made best use of international supply chains
and immigrants to the UK who make science research work

THAT is why xenophobic jingoistic EU bashing
is so dumb

Can you be xenophobic against the EU? It is an organisation, not a nationality.

so the EU has been sending vaccines here

What do you mean, the EU has been sending vaccines here? Factories producing vaccines owned by pharmaceutical companies have been sending vaccines here, not the EU itself.

@LexMitior

Can you be xenophobic against the EU? It is an organisation, not a nationality.

Funny that many posters up thread have been referring to it as a country when they slag off its handling of coordination of Vaccine Procurement

Well you didn't answer the question - can you be xenophobic to the EU?

It might be fairer to say that posters are hostile to its approach, rather than actual citizens of EU MS.

Frankly this boils down to;

AIBU to believe everything I read in the Daily Heil.

Because there is so little real world information going on, it's actually quite frightening...

Come on then @HannibalHayes, do educate the rest of us with your vastly superior knowledge of “real world information”.

You really are a very angry and unhappy sounding person @HotCrossBumsticks. I pity you.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@jasjas1973 no such thing as the english variant it has name kent variant but your almost implying that its the uk fault they have this ? When there is no proof where this variant came from at present just has its name due to where it was spotted, [/quote]
People are happy to call the South African and Brazilian variants by the countries they were discovered in, so why not the English variant? or is it more UK exceptionalism?
Bojo allowed CV to run freely in the autumn, perfect conditions for mutations.

The EU either by design or default has allowed the export of over 40m doses, 10m to the UK, despite facing a repeat of last March/April because of the English variant, are you really suggesting that the EU send vaccine to countries less effected than they are facing????

“Allowed the export”? “Send the vaccine”? Why do you say that as if it’s some sort of altruistic act? Or are you yet another poster who doesn’t understand that the EU doesn’t own every single factory that is based in the EU?

Ah, good old Dongdingdong

If it walks like a shill, quacks like a shill...

I have enjoyed the likes of Jasjas and co desperately trying to defend the EU’s ridiculous behaviour though - thanks for the laugh. Anyway, must be off - nighty night!

The posters who say the EU allows exports reveal themselves as pro restriction, and anti free trade. The EU is a supranational customs union, that writes rules for trade. Britain left because it wanted to write its own rules.

However, export restrictions on products when you actually have a surplus within your customs union in the EU is a) stupid since you do not have a shortage b) not very justifiable c) makes you look anti business

It should be noted that until very recently, the EU would have said that free trade was essential. How things change.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas in regard to the grps 1 to 9, Bojo has made it clear he wants to vaccinate (1st dose) the healthy under 50s and indeed everyone else above 18yo.

He isn't interested in just grps 1 to 9, that was my point.

Given what he said today, he plans on keeping vaccine in case the wave sweeping europe "washes up" on our shores... conveniently forgetting that it originated here :( just more anti european rhetoric designed to stir up more hatred than there is already, nothing increases a govt's popularity than having a foreign enemy.

If it walks like a shill, quacks like a shill...

Thought as much - nothing intelligent to add, just pretending like you do. “Real world information”, ha ha

Given what he said today, he plans on keeping vaccine in case the wave sweeping europe "washes up" on our shores... conveniently forgetting that it originated here

You have no proof whatsoever that it originated here. It could just as easily have come from the continent!

"Britain left because it wanted to write its own rules."

No, "Britain" left because a load of disaster capitalists and tax dodgers convinced a load of racists that leaving would bring back the empire and make their penises larger...

@LexMitior

The posters who say the EU allows exports reveal themselves as pro restriction, and anti free trade. The EU is a supranational customs union, that writes rules for trade. Britain left because it wanted to write its own rules.

However, export restrictions on products when you actually have a surplus within your customs union in the EU is a) stupid since you do not have a shortage b) not very justifiable c) makes you look anti business

It should be noted that until very recently, the EU would have said that free trade was essential. How things change.

Really? Amid calls from the EU for U.K.-manufactured AstraZeneca vaccine doses to be redirected to the EU, Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove said on Thursday the U.K. wanted to to do "everything possible to make sure that as many people in countries which are our friends and neighbours are vaccinated"

However, he said the government would not be allowing vaccines to go to the EU at this stage. "The critical thing is we must make sure that the schedule that has been agreed and on which our vaccination programme has been based and planned goes ahead," he told the BBC's Today program

The U.K. has so far scheduled phase one of its vaccine plan, which involves getting a first dose to all adults over 50, health care workers and care home residents. Johnson's spokesperson declined to comment directly on whether once this phase was complete, vaccine doses might be sent to the EU

Goose and Gander spring to mind......

@jasjas1973 the waves come and go they don't totally originate anywhere its mot just the kent eave going through europe and he only intends one dose
Also Europe are not that far behind in the grand scheme of not many being fully vaccinated it was only a matter of a couple weeks ago we had higher daily death figures as well, we are not put of this by a long shot
Also the uk vaccinations are a drop in th ocean to what the eu needs
Plus why don't they implement the longer gap in order to get further along its the only reason we are and its a gamble maybe but one anyone else is free to take

If anyone does need a source that is slightly better than the Guardian or the Daily Mail, I would recommend politico.eu.

It is very good on the real dynamics behind international trade in both Brussels and Westminster (which is fairly much more complicated than most press can explain).

@HannibalHayes stop bringing racism into it , that is a tired argument and not true of a lot of people , its a lazy argument to try and shut people down
Plenty of different races voted brexit , you are aware if there were similar votes in european countries some would also vote out if the eu
The eu is not europe

@Dongdingdong

Given what he said today, he plans on keeping vaccine in case the wave sweeping europe "washes up" on our shores... conveniently forgetting that it originated here

You have no proof whatsoever that it originated here. It could just as easily have come from the continent!

The proof, if anywhere needed, is that the UK's infection and death rate was way ahead of anything on the continent in Dec/Jan and testing showed that europe had few English variants in December.

Or do you believe that Covid-19 came from a Bio weapons lab in Colorado and didn't originate in China?

@jasjas1973 do you also blame SA and brazil for their variants?

@LexMitior thanks