To think that the EU have done more to endorse Brexit in the last 2 weeks than the UK managed in nearly 5 years

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I’ll start by saying I’ve never thought Brexit was in the long term interest of the UK and still don’t

But dear God, the EU’s behaviour over vaccinations and, in particular, the blatant prejudice around the Astra Zeneca vaccine has done more to endorse the UK leaving than anything that has been said in the UK before, during and after the vote

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@jasjas1973 no such thing as the english variant it has name kent variant but your almost implying that its the uk fault they have this ? When there is no proof where this variant came from at present just has its name due to where it was spotted, [/quote]
Oh ok.

What do you call the South African and the Brazilian variants?

@QuentinInQuarantino like I said I know full well the eu is not a country I am answering go the poster who keeps saying eu v uk

And I'm sorry but it's called the British variant everywhere except Britain, because sadly (and I say this as a proud Kentishwoman), nobody has heard of Kent.

Btw, expect Johnson to declare himself lady bountiful this week as the EU backs down and he rides to the rescue by side agreement with the Dutch to share vaccines by negotiated agreement.

Or the EU can get insane and declare an export ban.

It’s Johnson, rescuing Europe. All his Churchill fantasies fulfilled.

@ListeningQuietly your aware track and trace was also costs of tests etc jot purely travk and trace and according to wikipidia it was in the billions

@QuentinInQuarantino it was the way they referred to it as english variant almost as though it was the uk fault and in the uk its known as the kent variant and the poster is on the uk

@QuentinInQuarantino and if the poster was not english then maybe calling it that would of made sense as in the uk its called the kent variant

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@QuentinInQuarantino it was the way they referred to it as english variant almost as though it was the uk fault and in the uk its known as the kent variant and the poster is on the uk [/quote]
Oh ok. I didn't read it that way. I don't think anyone could blame anywhere for a variant popping up.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@ListeningQuietly your aware track and trace was also costs of tests etc jot purely travk and trace and according to wikipidia it was in the billions [/quote]
www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/10/no-evidence-22bn-test-and-trace-scheme-cut-covid-rates-in-england-say-mps

@QuentinInQuarantino well no this virus just seems to keep popping up with mutations unfortunately ( unless it chooses to mutate to a slight cold then I think we may all be happier with that )

@ListeningQuietly mm the guardian ! Its no better than the daily mail for reporting half stories
My point is that some of that money includes tests etc its not all simply track and trace and the jury is out in wether it did any good or not.
We will find more out in years to come of course

@QuentinInQuarantino

And I'm sorry but it's called the British variant everywhere except Britain, because sadly (and I say this as a proud Kentishwoman), nobody has heard of Kent.

Ah Quentin, I'm sure you're quite happy for it not to called the Kent variant. Mind you, that ain't nothin'! The poor Spanish had an entire flu pandemic named for them, the 1918 influenza pandemic. Or Syphilis being called the 'French' disease.

Frankly this boils down to;

AIBU to believe everything I read in the Daily Heil.

Because there is so little real world information going on, it's actually quite frightening...

@ListeningQuietly anyway all this digresses from the original post
Which rightly or wrongly has made leaving the eu look favourable to some now who voted remain
Personally I don't know if this will be how people think in a year, but for now it has changed the feelings of some
We can sit here and point out every bad decision the uk has made the same as every european country, many europeans will be unhappy with their leaders
But in the short term it is making some think differently

@HannibalHayes the guardian is no better

@Cailleach1 yes and many still think it came from spain

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@ListeningQuietly mm the guardian ! Its no better than the daily mail for reporting half stories
My point is that some of that money includes tests etc its not all simply track and trace and the jury is out in wether it did any good or not.
We will find more out in years to come of course[/quote]
How about the National Audit office
www.nao.org.uk/report/the-governments-approach-to-test-and-trace-in-england-interim-report/

I think you need to remember that everything you know about the situation has been written by the media, on the whole pro brexit, right wing, checked and underlined by Boris Johnson, in a country which is trying to to convince itself brexit was a good idea.

Reporting has been very different elsewhere in the world and, as somebody with a half European family, I’ve definitely noticed a huge increase in xenophobic comments since January. It’s like the floodgates have opened.

The name of the Covid 19 variant is to do with where it is first identified.

Just remembered German measles.

I'm not sure it is an established fact the Spanish Flu outbreak originated in Spain. I read that as it occurred in wartime, censors in countries at war minimised reports of the outbreaks whereas Spain did not as it was neutral in the WW1. That is why it appeared that Spain had many more cases. All playing the political game in viruses, even a hundred years ago. The soldiers were a huge vector in it's spread in Europe. I have an ancestor who died from it. She had just had a baby a few month beforehand - also my ancestor.

The labelling of things with national prefixes is common. See;

French letters
La creme anglais

Both of these reflect relative national obsessions about the other country

@Cailleach1 no I don't think it had anything to with spain

@Cailleach1 the only half of me is Spanish so I've rotten luck in the viral nomenclature game!!

Was syphilis discovered in France then? I just assumed it was because of all the bonking and mistresses!?

@ListeningQuietly still missing the point that the figures include the test etc im nit saying the actual t&t part was a success but I don't think its right to report the money was all spent on t & t admin/ wages etc its a lot more than that
But again we digress from the thread

Ah, the Guardian isn't perfect, therefore let's believe every word the Daily Heil reports.

Great! False equivalence wins the day yet again!

@QuentinInQuarantino I am sure I read somewhere that people alive today sometimes still have spanish flu antibodies or something like that.
Didn't spanish flu also just disappear after about third wave , hears hoping covid does the same and just disappears