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To wonder whether the increase in teen anxiety is the result of

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ivegotmyteddybear · 15/03/2021 17:27

Fewer sah parents and more nursery when small?

I'm genuinely NOT being goady. It's an opinion I hold, and would like it to be challenged.

OP posts:
apalledandshocked · 15/03/2021 18:41

@SmileEachDay

Life

In what way?

If I had to take a wild guess I would say that either the OP sent her children to nursery when they are younger and she is now wondering if it affected them in a desperate attempt to find some way to blame herself for their existing anxiety OR she is soon to send her young child to nursery and is looking for ways to feel guilty about the future damage this may do. If either one of these scenarios is correct, go easy on yourself OP.
TeenMinusTests · 15/03/2021 18:42
  • covid
  • the doing away with BTEC options at GCSE level (or making it so that school don't want to offer them)
  • other kids putting down anyone they perceive to be lesser than them, the drip drip effect can be insidious
ivegotmyteddybear · 15/03/2021 18:42

Yes it's one of those.

Exhausted

OP posts:
Frozenintime · 15/03/2021 18:42

For our ds , all caused by school and peers

peak2021 · 15/03/2021 18:45

I think social media has a large impact because it does not end when you leave the school gate or arrive at home. Screen time likewise, as when I was young it was three tv channels nothing else.

If the OP was correct then you would expect the children of doctors, nurses, teachers and other professions where women long-term have gone back into work to have had more issues than others, and I have never seen any evidence to support that.

FartnissEverbeans · 15/03/2021 18:48

Is there actual evidence that it has increased? Diagnosing anxiety wasn’t a thing when I was young but we were certainly anxious - it was just that nobody really cared. I doubt the statistics are comparable

TeenMinusTests · 15/03/2021 18:58

@FartnissEverbeans

Is there actual evidence that it has increased? Diagnosing anxiety wasn’t a thing when I was young but we were certainly anxious - it was just that nobody really cared. I doubt the statistics are comparable
I don't know whether it has increased, but it is good it is being talked about.

But there is a gigantic difference between being 'anxious' and 'diagnosed anxiety'.

Being anxious

  • a feeling of worry when big things are coming up like exams or drama performance or going into a new social situation

Diagnosed anxiety

  • worrying about things that most people don't need to worry about to such an extent that it is debilitating and prevents normal life.
(e.g. My DD sitting next to me worrying that she has touched her shirt and then her lips, or needing to eat malteasers with a spoon, or not being able to walk past people even outside, repeat every 2 minutes.)
AlexaShutUp · 15/03/2021 19:00

But there is a gigantic difference between being 'anxious' and 'diagnosed anxiety'.

I agree @TeenMinusTests, and likewise the difference between feeling a bit depressed and having clinical depression, but I fear that those distinctions are getting a bit lost.

SmileEachDay · 15/03/2021 19:00

Ohhh OP Yes it's one of those

It’s not about pre school education choices. In terms of early years: secure attachments, stimulation, talking, good nutrition, and being safe are important. Whether that happened at home or in a nursery setting doesn’t matter.

Tomnooktoldmeto · 15/03/2021 19:02

2DC here both in 6th form both have anxiety disorder diagnosis

Both were at home with me, well educated and trained in child health and development, went to nursery school for a year prior to primary

Both raised on organic vegetarian diet, neither allowed much social media interaction until mid teens well after diagnosis

Funnily enough in their cases it’s genetic not nurture, dad and other family members On that side ALL have this diagnosis

So not down to any external influence or lack thereof, diet or crap parents, just plain old genetics

HTH

ivegotmyteddybear · 15/03/2021 19:05

How do I help my son through all of this?

Ban social media and they're outcasts.

Allow it and it's a gateway to massive anxiety!

What's the answer?

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AlexaShutUp · 15/03/2021 19:05

@Tomnooktoldmeto, that sounds hard. I can well believe that genetics plays a part. Do you think there is also an aspect of learned behaviour - e.g. as a result of living with an anxious parent?

AlexaShutUp · 15/03/2021 19:08

Personally, I'm not convinced that social media is the evil it is portrayed to be. I think it can cause issues for a few children, but most of the kids who struggle would struggle with or without it.

We didn't have social media when I was growing up, but (mostly undiagnosed) mental health were rife. Anxiety, depression, anorexia, bulimia, self harm, substance abuse, suicidal ideation. None of these are actually new...

SmileEachDay · 15/03/2021 19:08

How do I help my son through all of this?

Through what? What’s happening OP?

AlexaShutUp · 15/03/2021 19:12

OP, have I understood correctly - is your ds very small and you are trying to decide what to do about WOH/SAH?

If that's the case, can I ask if you have any issues with anxiety yourself that may be causing you to worry about what might happen to your ds in his teenage years? If so, can I suggest that one of the best things that you might be able to do for him is seek help with your own issues so that you can model healthy coping strategies for him as he grows up?

MakeMineALarge1 · 15/03/2021 19:12

I also think there is an element of learnt behaviour.

sagaLoren · 15/03/2021 19:13

I think the expectations we are setting for our children are way too high and the pressure is immense. The "you can be anything you want to be if you just try hard enough" mentality sets children up for failure. Every time I hear an adult say this to a child I cringe.

I also don't think it's always helpful to tell children their depression or anxiety is genetic. My brother was told that throughout his childhood and he now really resents it. He's finally turned his life around and is really happy but he was only able to do that once he threw off the idea that he was born with a depressive/anxious brain.

BigSandyBalls2015 · 15/03/2021 19:16

There seems to be a lack of resilience in a lot of teens which we saw less of years ago and parental involvement is huge. As in mum ringing uni in behalf of DCs, mum sitting in on zoom college interviews. They seem reluctant to let go and let them grow up. Which in turn feeds into the
belief that the teen can’t cope, which is often untrue.

AlexaShutUp · 15/03/2021 19:17

I also don't think it's always helpful to tell children their depression or anxiety is genetic. My brother was told that throughout his childhood and he now really resents it. He's finally turned his life around and is really happy but he was only able to do that once he threw off the idea that he was born with a depressive/anxious brain.

Yes, I agree that there probably is a genetic component that may result in a predisposition to certain mental health issues, but I agree that it isn't all genetic and that it wouldn't be helpful to present it to kids in those terms. People can and do find ways of managing their mental health effectively.

coronabeer · 15/03/2021 19:17

Interesting article about this in The Atlantic magazine and especially the importance of picking up on developing anxiety in very young children.

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/05/childhood-in-an-anxious-age/609079/

"There really isn’t evidence to demonstrate that parents cause children’s anxiety disorders in the vast majority of cases,” Lebowitz said. But—and this is a big but—there is research establishing a correlation between children’s anxiety and parents’ behavior. SPACE, he continued, is predicated on the simple idea that you can combat a kid’s anxiety disorder by reducing parental accommodation—basically, those things a parent does to alleviate a child’s anxious feelings. If a child is afraid of dogs, an accommodation might be walking her across the street so as to avoid one. If a child is scared of the dark, it might be letting him sleep in your bed.

Lebowitz borrowed the concept about a decade ago from the literature on how obsessive-compulsive disorder affects a patient’s family members and vice versa. (As he put it to me, family members end up living as though they, too, have OCD: “Everybody’s washing their hands. Everybody’s changing their clothes. Nobody’s saying this word or that word.”) In the years since, accommodation has become a focus of anxiety research. We now know that about 95 percent of parents of anxious children engage in accommodation. We also know that higher degrees of accommodation are associated with more severe anxiety symptoms, more severe impairment, and worse treatment outcomes. These findings have potential implications even for children who are not (yet) clinically anxious: The everyday efforts we make to prevent kids’ distress—minimizing things that worry them or scare them, assisting with difficult tasks rather than letting them struggle—may not help them manage it in the long term. When my daughter is in tears because she hasn’t finished a school project that’s due the next morning, I sometimes stop her crying by coaching her through the rest of it. But when I do, she doesn’t learn to handle deadline jitters. When she asks me whether anyone in our family will die of COVID-19, an unequivocal “No, don’t worry” may reassure her now, but a longer, harder conversation about life’s uncertainties might do more to help her in the future.

Despite more than a decade’s evidence that helicopter parenting is counterproductive, kids today are perhaps more overprotected, more leery of adulthood, more in need of therapy.
Parents know they aren’t helping their kids by accommodating their fears; they tell Lebowitz as much. But they also say they don’t know how to stop. They fear that day-to-day life will become unmanageable."

rawlikesushi · 15/03/2021 19:19

Modern life has its pressures, but so has every generation that came before.

Social media and homework might fuel anxieties, but so did the 11+ and the Cold War.

As a teacher, what I have noticed is how much credence is given to perfectly normal worries and concerns, how coddled and protected kids are now.

At the slightest sign of discomfort, a parent comes in to have a word.

I really do think that there's nothing wrong with telling kids to suck it up sometimes, instead of hanging on their every word.

Build a bit of resilience into them before they begin to think that any disappointment or sad event is the end of the world.

AlexaShutUp · 15/03/2021 19:23

Very interesting @coronabeer.

FlemCandango · 15/03/2021 19:23

I think environment is part of it but I have an anxious husband, two anxious teens and an anxty 12 yo. None of the kids went to nursery until they were 3. I was a sahm, breastfed for years, co-slept and was pretty much available 24/7 for the first 5 years of their lives.

The older 2 are autistic, so pretty much living in the world makes them anxious. The younger always got anxious when leaving me and had some struggles at school but she is managing much better now.

There are a few anxious people on DH side and some depressives on my side. The kids didn't have a chance! They are all really strong , empathetic and kind though so their emotional vulnerabilities haven't ruined them just given them obstacles to overcome.

cyclingtowardsbethlehem · 15/03/2021 19:30

Ignoring the slightly goady nature of the thread- one parent staying at home with a child, full time, focused on them in the early years is only a very recent phenomenon. Most women have always worked- unless wealthy and then there would be a nanny or a governess. All my female relatives have always worked. Extended families shared care and there has been some sort of daycare provision for generations (local women would take in children). Also you'd have loads of kids all roaming about together from very young.

So anxiety compared to when? A really narrow window of the 50s-80s?

My kids are younger but from teenage relatives I do think resilience seems to be lower- I don't think insulating kids from anything uncomfortable or difficult is good, risk taking in childhood is discouraged which means failure is rarer, and 24/7 social media makes me a bit weird so god knows what it does to an 11yo.

On the one hand it's good that we're much better at recognising mental health issues, on the other there's a risk of pathologising perfectly normal adolescent discomfort with growing up. Of course definitions are relevant to the time so we'll never know if there is objectively 'more' anxiety.

Polly111 · 15/03/2021 19:31

I think there’s probably more for children to deal with now, but I would also agree in some ways kids are a lot more sheltered.

I doubt sending a child to nursery would have any impact but I do think it’s important that there’s a trusted adult around during the teenage years. I think with lack of childcare and parents being expected to work more once kids reach high school age that can be difficult.

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