To be angry at the frenzy caused by others last night

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I think it was utterly disrespectful. We are in lockdown and it was not the right time for a protest. I agree with a quiet, respectful, socially distanced space to grieve - which is what appeared to happen during the day.

Anyone else feel free to report my last, longer post! PLEASE!!

@youvegottenminuteslynn and @52andblue . I agree with both of you. I think for any movement against male violence towards women to have any success, it needs to encompass all women and place equal value on their lives and equal outrage at their deaths. There is a seperate issue as to whether its fair to centre that movement around Sarah Everard, when its possible her family dont want that. But I can understand why, for a lot of people, this is the straw that broke the camel's back.

Thanks @LexMitior

And MN for being so quick!

@LexMitior

It's on Twitter I've just read it

There certainly seemed to be 2 distinctly separate things going on

That fits

and, when the police acted, they didn't seem to distinguish between the women who were ther for a vigil and others, male and female alike, who were there for other reasons.

Many of those who been there for the quiet, commemorative event at 6pm left shortly afterwards. But a constant stream of people were arriving well,after that.

The social distancing which was good for the commemoration (which happened when it was still light, and of which there are many pictures in circulation) but wasn't like that as it got dark when the areas closest to the bandstand were rammed.

There would be no way that anyone in the crowd at that point could be characterised as taking part in a quiet and respectful vigil.

I think the account (above) of what was being chanted at the police is quite restrained.

The police at Greenham were deliberately provocative. A policewoman stood looking me in the eye while she removed baby clothes, etc from the fence and threw them on the ground. She was inviting me to go for her. Fortunately two of my friends grabbed an arm each and walked me away. It was the classic “She’s not worth it”

I was there for one weekend where there was a "hands around the base" event. It was just women holding hands, to encircle the perimeter fence. The police were just pulling women, bodily, from the circle and hurling them to the ground, really hard. At least 2 women had to go to hospital, one had what looked like a classic Colles fracture where she'd put her hands out behind her in an attempt to break her fall.

I was there too, mid teens with a friend, we had hitch hiked with no real thought to what we would do when we got there.

A bunch of women took us under their wings and made us go home about an hour before the police started in on the human chain. We were stopped by police as we hitch hiked home, warned about "predatory dykes" and left to it!

That attitude still amazes me now!

[quote LucieStar]@LexMitior

It's on Twitter I've just read it [/quote]
Perhaps it might be kind to the constable involved if they took it down. That was not a good idea to post that

@percheron67 " I don't understand why it was necessary , in lockdown, for people to ignore the law"

It is worth reading some of the links on this thread - there is no "ignoring the law" because the law does not specifically ban protests. The law provides for leaving your house for a "reasonable excuse" but does not clarify one way or the other as to whether a legitimate protest is included in this definition. The courts have confirmed that this is the case.

There is a link I posted to a BBC article a few pages back that covers this.

www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/19161048.bradford-police-officer-ben-lister-charged-rape-sexual-assault/

We are not at fault for what happened because if we knew we would have done what we could to stop it.

Somebody in the Met must have pulled some strings to cover for the suspect following a previous incident. He should have been suspended from the police before Sarah disappeared. The police absolutely are wrong.

And like pp after Hillsborough and what I saw of footage from Saturday night, I do not believe what the police officer says either. I can find no footage at all of what she describes

Look that officer has probably got a bollocking from her senior officers for posting that. It was a stupid thing to do

YY @BonnieDundee I remember how they were accused of vandalism when they were ripping off the sidings to use as stretchers. Live footage went out on the day but that didnt stop the lies and the gaslighting. But now with social media footage can be watched over and over so the same tactics wont work like they used to.

From BBC news

Dania Al-Obeid, one of the women handcuffed by police and later arrested for breaching Covid-19 regulations at Clapham Common, has said "unnecessary force" was used.

She said she had gone to the vigil on her own, after spending the past week speaking to her female friends about Sarah Everard's case and why they felt scared to walk at night.

It could "easily have been any of us women", she said, adding she felt the need to "stand with other women".

"I wish there had been understanding and compassion for that," she told the BBC.

Instead she was handcuffed and led away by two male police officers, who she said were both holding her arms. "It just felt [like] unnecessary force," she said. "Police have power to use discretion in these situations."

She said police actions felt "disproportionate" to what was happening.

Dania said she cried in the police van, adding she did not know what had triggered the police response.

Met Police Chief, Dame Cressida Dick, has said her team felt it was "an unlawful gathering" and posed "a considerable risk to people's health".

Dania has also been speaking to BBC Radio 5 live - she said she was "dragged" by police and was worried her head would hit the floor. She said she knew she had to put up "minimal resistance" to stop that happening.

Watch the full interview here twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1371421025548840962?s=21 or listen to 5 Live on the free BBC Sounds app.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-56401127

Can people please stop sharing that ridiculous ’account’ from the anonymous alleged police woman as some sort of credible view.

It is a totally work of fiction. The timeline doesn’t fit with videos, locations are conflated and the basic information (mainly female officers at the start) are absolute bollocks.

A police employee sharing private information like that would be very compromised in her job... it's contrary to Police standards.

@LucieStar I don't know where the original came from unfortunately.

@Flaxmeadow Another by product of the Coronavirus restrictions is that taxi drivers are quitting in their droves. They arent making any money. Not even breaking even.
This will affect ALL women whether working class or middle class. Because even if you DO have enough money to afford a cab you cant get one that isnt there.

I'm just concerned at how the victim, in this case, has been hijacked into a media frenzy that seems OTT and to do with what these people think are important.
Were the victim my daughter, I would be mortified. I feel very sorry for the victim's family who seem to not be able to grieve privately
Only Heaven know's what they must be going through right now.

@DdraigGoch

Copied- This post is from a female police officer who was there-

Tonight’s Virgil for Sarah. A female officers point of view..

It started with mainly only female officers overlooking a civil vigil. When numbers grew and social distancing seized more officers were called.
When police officers tried to crowd control and remove people from stamping on flowers for Sarah they refused. Then it kicked off
Then I saw people being arrested and my colleagues being assaulted when trying to transport said prisoner.
Then I saw our vehicles being vandalised with spray with the word ACAB and a mirror being smashed.
Then I thought what would Sarah’s family think about this?
Then I saw and heard my colleagues being abused. They were called murderes, rapists, a female colleague was told it should have been her. And we were told to arrest each other. This is not ok.
Sarah’s family and friends have been so gracious under the circumstances. I do not believe they would want this to happen. If it was me I would not want this to happen. Stop think and be civil we are all humans and we all are angry at what happened. We do not need more violence.
I am a woman. I am a police officer. I am very proud of being both. This week has me exhausted. Physically from the job and mentally by all this.
We are not at fault for what happened because if we knew we would have done what we could to stop it.
To finalise this rant, to my colleagues: I am proud of you. You were insulted beyond what we are used to. We stand by our uniform, we’re proud to carry this warrant card so we can uphold the great office of Constable. Thank you for being there today hope you are all ok. 💙

Look further down the thread.

my words seem to be indicating I was at Clapham Common. I was not

@Roussette Smearing is an old tactic and its used again and again. Post at 18.09

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3764459-Boris-Johnson-refuses-to-look-at-photo-of-child-on-hospital-floor?pg=13

It seems that some officers decided to ignore another indecent exposure that happened in the vicinity of Clapham Common on Saturday night

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/15/officers-allegedly-failed-to-help-woman-flashed-at-way-home-sarah-everard-vigil

Ffs, talk about picking and choosing what laws they want to uphold.

If it was a football team like Chelsea or Spurs who had won a title and their fans were dancing in the streets would the police have moved in? They didn't in Glasgow last week.

The police officers who have reported being verbally and physically abused at the ‘vigil’ has been discussed in the HofC today with several MP’s confirming they have received written reports confirming this has happened. Obviously it’s the other side of the story but I think we all need to take a step back and accept that there is clearly fault on both sides.

Neither is acceptable. However, we’re all free to choose who we’d rather ‘support’ if it has to come down to it.

It will be on their body cams