To be angry at the frenzy caused by others last night

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I think it was utterly disrespectful. We are in lockdown and it was not the right time for a protest. I agree with a quiet, respectful, socially distanced space to grieve - which is what appeared to happen during the day.

You mean an inequity of treatment between North and South for women?

Yes that yes. But what hurts is that it comes from the left or rather this new middle class London based version of the left, which is not really a leftist movement at all. Not in the traditional sense.

The left are the ones who are supposed defend the underprivileged, women and girls especially in places like the north. In the old mining and mill towns like erm, well it's difficult to discuss...Priti Patel discussed it though on Womens Day. But "the left" still refuse to

@rosetylersbiggun genuine question, before you went and over the course of the day did you think about Sarah’s family at all and her. Did you wonder what they might be making of all this? Did you know Sarah’s family had asked people not to go? And if so why did you make a decision to disrespect their wishes, how do you think doing that has made them feel today?

Is that true? I've seen it repeated a lot on Mumsnet, but with no proof.

I've googled, and cannot find anything. Actually the opposite - I easily found an interview Sarah's aunt gave praising and supporting the actions of the women attending the vigil. Sarah's uncle gave a statement where he THANKED protestors and said how much the vigil had meant to the family. And Sarah's parents and siblings told press they intended to visit the bandstand and see the tributes themselves.

@Flaxmeadow I’m not sure they’ll even know what you’re referring to. So much is the closed mindedness around it.

I've looked at the footage again and I can't see anyone being thrown on the floor. I can see the red haired women lying on the floor being handcuffed from behind and then helped to her feet. Is there footage somewhere of her being thrown on the floor?

I personally witnessed it.

The reason there is no footage is because at this point, most of the protestors had been removed from the bandstand and the bandstand was full of press. FULL of press. The press had their cameras pointed outwards towards the circle of women because that's where all the action was. The handful of protestors remaining on the bandstand were huddled in corners trying to stay out of the way of the press and police. The police's attention was focused on the ring of women outside the bandstand. No one expected four of the police officers on the bandstand to suddenly grab one of the women off the floor and throw her to the ground as they were ignoring us up to that point. Of course when they did the press rushed over but they weren't pointing their cameras inwards towards the centre of the bandstand until after that happened because at that point, it was nearly all just police and press on the bandstand.

@Flaxmeadow I’m not sure they’ll even know what you’re referring to. So much is the closed mindedness around it

I think they know but just don't care. Too blinded by stubborn ideology and left/right party politcs maybe. Or maybe just aren't aware or educated on on how serious the crime situation is up north

@Flaxmeadow Im well aware despite living in Essex. Holbeck for instance.

Crime ought not to be a left right thing - crime is crime.

Not saying this in a goady way but can someone share a reliable source re Sarah's parents commenting they didn't want the vigil held? I genuinely hadn't heard that except on this thread.

@rosetylersbiggun Well according to the 10oClock news last night they did.

you’ve not answered the question though have you. Did you think about what her family, specifically her Mother might want or what they might have been thinking this morning??

Of course they’re going to go see the tributes left.....that’s not what this thread is about is it? The tributes left and protest which turned into chaos are very two different things. So did you think about what her Mother might have been feeling today?

Dick should resign (and should never have been promoted after Jean Charles de Menezes).

Totally agree.

@rosetylersbiggun Well according to the 10oClock news last night they did. you’ve not answered the question though have you. Did you think about what her family, specifically her Mother might want or what they might have been thinking this morning??

Proof? How come there's nothing about it on google? How come they're in the press praising and defending the women who attended the vigil?

Yes as someone who's been in a very similar situation I gave a great deal of thought to Sarah's family and, in the absence of any alleged statement asking people not to visit the bandstand, did not believe the family would feel negatively to local woman innocently leaving flowers and lighting candles.

@donewithitalltodayandxmas it is of course very unfortunate and sad IF the family are hurt that is indeed regretful, but that doesn't negate the fact the met were completely out of order here. Not only their actions at the time, but their response to criticism since

They managed it ok during the miners' strike. And for Greenham.

With modern technology, it should be even easier.

Exactly

The miners strike was a genuine working class uprising, not some chattering class attempted siege of a park bandstand

Care to point that out to the met?

My point in raising the miners strike was in reference to the censoring of msm reports, photos and video in the govts favour at the govts request

Not at all, i just think you're completely wrong

Then you debate, you don't use passive aggressive non committal comments, stand by your argument

I've seen worse on a regular basis at my local pub

A few have said this or similar now.

These were sober, unarmed, peacefully behaving women

Not drunk, tooled up, aggressively behaving men

@LexMitior my brother thinks it was possibly an unlawful act too (the kettling) he says it's only supposed to be used in very specific agreed regulated situations

I live in a rough area now, I'm from a rough area and I've lived in London in less savoury areas too. Still unacceptable what happened

Where have you got it from that everyone there was middle class?

Or indeed that everyone on the thread is or at least those disagreeing with you.

I am most definitely not middle class, I barely qualify as working class according to many! Apparently I'm "underclass" whatever the fuck that means! I'm also about as far north as it's possible to get in the Uk!

Attacking someone from behind is ALWAYS cowardly I don't care who you are and what authority you think you have.

So youre saying some working class oik in a pub up north doesn't deserve the same protection under the law as a middle class woman in a posh park. Bit classiest that

Oh come off it!

I'm as bolshie as the next commie and even I can see you're reaching like stretch Armstrong! Give it up

Completely different scenarios and you know it!

She was being handcuffed. So what?

When, why and how the police cuff a suspect is strictly regulated knowing what I do of those regulations they were in contravention of them on several occasions here, but I'm not an expert.

and definitely NOT a posh park  and I highly doubt any if anyone there was posh

I've been on marches and protests myself, all kinds of people went from working classes to landed gentry

Why are you limping us in with liberal media? Talk about presumptuous (I'd also love to know exactly where the liberal media is in the Uk, I've never seen any! If you mean Uk msm they are most definitely right wing and don't disguise the fact! They're even proud of it!)

@rosetylersbiggun thank you. Much of what you are reporting is disgusting but not surprising unfortunately

As a disabled woman myself who moves slowly as a result I am particularly distressed and angry at the treatment of the disabled lady you describe

"Maybe they were drunk" - ugh! Shades of Hillsborough!

Also presumptuous to think that those of us supporting the women who attended the vigil aren't and weren't ALSO supportive and active in support of the girls and women who've been let down in other instances of vawg in other parts of the country. It's certainly not true of me.

I did think about Sarah's family today, all week in fact, and haven't heard them comment on this.

I am very surprised that if they have made a public comment on this, it hasn't been widely reported bearing in mind this has dominated headlines and discussions for a week now.

I can only speak on my personal experience but my parents have both said they would want vigils / peaceful protests if I had been the victim because it would show people care deeply and also because it may contribute to individuals listening, learning and feeling strongly enough to encourage change.

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Not only the Miners Strike but now, and much worse, you're even comparing it to Hillsborough . My God just stop will you!

Also presumptuous to think that those of us supporting the women who attended the vigil aren't and weren't ALSO supportive and active in support of the girls and women who've been let down in other instances of vawg in other parts of the country. It's certainly not true of me.

Where were you all? I dont remember any protests by any of the so called, left on behalf of the female victims of gang crimes in the north of England. Infact "the left" disrupted a peaceful protest agaisnt gang crime in Manchester by lobbing missiles.

What I've seen of London was posh women shouting "all cops (sic) are baaah-steds", refusing to move on and then complaining when police physically did move them on. They were lucky they weren't thrown in the cells

What I've seen of London was posh women shouting "all cops (sic) are baaah-steds", refusing to move on and then complaining when police physically did move them on.

You must have extremely good eyesight to have seen all that from Oop North.

(It didn't happen.)

You must have extremely good eyesight to have seen all that from Oop North.

(It didn't happen.)

There's video footage of them shouting it all over Twitter. Do they even care that many of those officers are women. Women who have to deal with serious crimes against women and girls in their job all day long?

Can someone put on the thread a link Sarah’s family didn’t want the vigil point?

So you admit you weren't there, didn't see it, have only a very limited idea of what happened from a few video clips, and are disagreeing with the numerous women who were there?

Why are you downplaying and defending violence against working class women, disabled women, and elderly women?

Why are you spreading lies and libel?

First, Clapham is not solely middle class. It has large social housing estates and a lot of rundown HMOs.

Second, I hope the crowds protesting didn't cause delays to domestic abuse call outs in Clapham.

The Met police saved my life when I was a victim of male violence.

@rosetylersbiggun

So you admit you weren't there, didn't see it, have only a very limited idea of what happened from a few video clips, and are disagreeing with the numerous women who were there?

Why are you downplaying and defending violence against working class women, disabled women, and elderly women?

Why are you spreading lies and libel?

Apparently it’s all based on class.

Yes all those sneering posho homeless women!

I thought the event was a vigil, not a protest? From what I saw, the police response was over the top.

I think this is within the last hour or so. If I understand it correctly they are touched by it, not upset. Not sure why a couple of PP kept saying the family didnt agree with it...

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/14338769/sarah-everards-family-call-for-positive-change/amp/

"Andrea Everard said of the crowd: “All they were doing was showing support for Sarah and other women victims of appalling crime.
“I hope Sarah’s death can bring about some positive change.”

Nick said: “We’re grateful for all the love. We appreciate that Kate went. The support is overwhelming. Thank you to everybody.”

[quote WhereverIlaymyhat2021]@rosetylersbiggun genuine question, before you went and over the course of the day did you think about Sarah’s family at all and her. Did you wonder what they might be making of all this?

Did you know Sarah’s family had asked people not to go? And if so why did you make a decision to disrespect their wishes, how do you think doing that has made them feel today?[/quote]
Hopefully you can now see this is totally incorrect and they actually explicitly thanked people for attending.