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To be angry at the frenzy caused by others last night

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BarometerTV · 14/03/2021 12:56

I think it was utterly disrespectful. We are in lockdown and it was not the right time for a protest. I agree with a quiet, respectful, socially distanced space to grieve - which is what appeared to happen during the day.

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LucieStar · 14/03/2021 23:19

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Yes, LucieStar, I saw that comment "It isn't about Sarah now" - something I might have understood if we were weeks down the line, but not when she's only just died

Ironic, perhaps, that it was from a poster demanding respect for women ...

It hasn't even had a chance to be about her. Sad

Flaxmeadow · 14/03/2021 23:20

It matters, and it’s not like pub chucking out time

We dont know that. This idea that when working class people drink its stella and oafish but when rich people drink its expensive claret and so they are more sophisticated but it's all booze and drunkenness at the end of the day. For all we know the protestors in the park could have been pissed out of their brains and up for fight, drunk and disorderly even

LucieStar · 14/03/2021 23:21

Clearly you think protesting about violence against women is not a worthy cause. Why don't you open your eyes.

I think it's an extremely worthy cause. The timing of this particular protest though was dreadful and disrespectful to the family.

thecranberries · 14/03/2021 23:22

@Flaxmeadow

You think it's no big deal for male police officers to pin a woman down like that who was taking part in a peaceful vigil? That is utterly disgusting.

Pinned down? All I saw was her lying on the floor, gazing into a camera like Gloria Swanson. She looked handcuffed.

Even if she was pinned down, this is how people, who resist arrest, are arrested all the time

Interestingly they didnt do it to the Duchess of Cambridge hmm

That was in the day, when people were just leaving flowers. The bourgeois jolly hockey sticks bandstand siege came later, at night

What do you mean 'like Gloria Swanson"? What era are you from?

The woman was standing, the police pushed and pushed her, then grabbed her and then pinned her to the ground.

She was a peaceful. This is what peaceful people do. They do not react, they breathe and are calm. Knowing that they are right and the force against them is wrong.

You obviously know nothing about peaceful people.

She didn't 'look handcuffed'. She was handcuffed, for no reason.

She did not resist arrest. She was forced to the ground.

Again, to you and all those who posted without knowing the facts - get a hobby, or read and understand the full breadth of what has gone on before you opine.

Your ignorant opinions are not wanted. Be informed. Be alert. Be aware. But don't be stupid and have knee jerk reactions based upon your own limited world experience and narrow views.

Or, just get a hobby other than trashing women.

LexMitior · 14/03/2021 23:24

Well there’s no reports of drunkenness.

I get your attitude, but it seems orientated about class. That’s not what this is about.

MercyBooth · 14/03/2021 23:24

@Flaxmeadow is just pissed that she cant call them anti maskers So she is attacking their class instead.

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 14/03/2021 23:25

How many of you realise that a large part of people there had gone there not to take part in a vigil but to purely cause trouble and fight with the police

I was there.

It certainly was not a ‘large part’ of people who went to cause trouble, far from it. There were women with friends, with their partners , with kids, an ordinary cross section of local
Londoners, though it was far more white than was representative.

Most people didn’t want to break social distancing.

Flaxmeadow · 14/03/2021 23:26

Clearly you think protesting about violence against women is not a worthy cause. Why don't you open your eyes. Please

You couldn't be more wrong but when people protested here, the north, about crimes against girls and women by gangs they were called names by middle class liberal progressives. There was a protest a few years ago in Manchester, people of all backgrounds and ethnicities attended. It was slurred by the liberal leaning media as right wing (it wasn't) and attacked by antifa who threw missiles

Flaxmeadow · 14/03/2021 23:27

she is attacking their class instead

Yes I am. See my last comment

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 14/03/2021 23:28

No one was drunk. It really wasn’t that atmosphere. Many children were present,

The crowd were silent throughout the afternoon and after the minute’s silence.

LexMitior · 14/03/2021 23:29

Well just maybe these are ordinary people who give a damn, and not these evil progressives?

Maybe?

Flaxmeadow · 14/03/2021 23:30

I get your attitude, but it seems orientated about class.

Yes it is, it's what most of my posts are about. Class perspective as opposed to an identity based perspective

That’s not what this is about.

Welcome to my northern perspective on the safety of women and girls

WhereverIlaymyhat2021 · 14/03/2021 23:35

Oooh know absolutely @Flaxmeadow us northerners are not allowed to mention that violence against women, no, no, no.....wrong type of women I’m afraid. I mentioned that, and those protests and was told I sounded like an ‘angry young man’ like I said wrong type of women/girls.

rosetylersbiggun · 14/03/2021 23:35

I'm one of the women on the bandstand who were manhandled by police. Some actual facts, to combat all the lies, assumptions and falsehoods:

The vast majority were women, were peaceful, and were just attending a vigil.

A small number of both men and women were there with an agenda, or were acting in an aggressive manner or giving speeches. Most of the people acting aggressively or speechifying were men.

The majority of police were professional but a significant minority of officers arrived with a hostile and combative attitude, and started making unprovoked nasty comments including during the one minute silence. The behaviour of that minority, which went unchecked by other officers, was incendiary and caused other women who had no intention of doing anything but lighting a candle and leave, to respond verbally.

The Sisters Uncut protestors (the ones giving speeches) were removed by police very near the start. I don't know what happened to them, they were marched away by police and I didn't see them come back. No one made any speeches after that. There were speeches only at the very start. The extreme police presence and violence did not start until after the Sisters Uncut women had been removed and the speeches finished.

The red haired girl didn't give any speeches (as far as I saw) and was sitting silently on the ground when the police picked her up and threw her to the ground. She was not resisting arrest that is simply a lie.

Only women were arrested or treated violently, including women who were sitting silently and not engaging in any protest. I did not see a single man arrested. The men who were giving speeches with loudhailers, and the male anti-mask protestors, were ignored by police.

There were absolutely working class women there, there was one young girl who was street homeless there who the press found and interviewed, there were disabled women, middle aged women, elderly women, women who had never attended a protest, and many women who lived locally and had walked in.

No one was seriously injured but some women suffered minor injuries. A disabled middle aged woman on crutches fell to the ground because police were chivving her along too fast while she was verbally saying "I'm disabled, you need to let me walk at my own pace" and then screamed at her while she was lying on the floor, other women had to rescue her.

reginafalange2020 · 14/03/2021 23:37

I agree the police were too brutal and their actions are not acceptable BUT They shouldn't of gathered and were told not to prior! We are in a pandemic and have spent the last 12 months living with huge restrictions which I am sick of!! What is the point of the last 12 months if people will ignore the rules - no matter how sad or emotive the reason.

I have friends who have lost loved ones during this and weren't able to have proper funerals. Sarah's family won't be able to have a proper funeral for her either.

Honestly!! People could of showed their respects to the poor woman at home with a private vigil. I know it's not the same but at least it's something.
The human race is a joke

LoopyLockdown · 14/03/2021 23:37

A vigil done in 3 months time might have been better fitting. Not solely due to the current restrictions on large gatherings but more so to prove it matters, by jogging peoples memories, making people remember zbd think in x months time.

Sadly, no matter how emotive this is right now, give it time and this won't be at the front of most peoples minds. Obviously, I'm not talking about her family, friends and loved ones, they sadly will never forget.

A year ago, everyone was campaigning Be Kind after Caroline Flack sadly took her life but come July, it wasn't at the forefront of almost people's mind.

Flaxmeadow · 14/03/2021 23:38

WhereverIlaymyhat2021

Yes

rosetylersbiggun · 14/03/2021 23:39

For all we know the protestors in the park could have been pissed out of their brains and up for fight, drunk and disorderly even

This is absolutely untrue and a vile, horrible thing to say.

It was a gentle, quiet, supportive environment until police turned up and kicked off. With the exception of a small handful, mostly male, no one was "up for a fight."

LucieStar · 14/03/2021 23:42

@WhereverIlaymyhat2021

Oooh know absolutely *@Flaxmeadow* us northerners are not allowed to mention that violence against women, no, no, no.....wrong type of women I’m afraid. I mentioned that, and those protests and was told I sounded like an ‘angry young man’ like I said wrong type of women/girls.

What's wrong with us northern women? Confused

LexMitior · 14/03/2021 23:42

@Flaxmeadow

I get your attitude, but it seems orientated about class.

Yes it is, it's what most of my posts are about. Class perspective as opposed to an identity based perspective

That’s not what this is about.

Welcome to my northern perspective on the safety of women and girls

You mean an inequity of treatment between North and South for women? Or that one matters more?
MercyBooth · 14/03/2021 23:43

Ooh They were all drunk were they? We only need "they were pissing over others" and we will have the full set.

MercyBooth · 14/03/2021 23:44

Fucking hell. At least think of something new and original

Flaxmeadow · 14/03/2021 23:44

This is absolutely untrue and a vile, horrible thing to say.

That's why I said "for all we know". It was in reply to a discussion about resisting arrest and how people are arrested

I've looked at the footage again and I can't see anyone being thrown on the floor. I can see the red haired women lying on the floor being handcuffed from behind and then helped to her feet. Is there footage somewhere of her being thrown on the floor?

WhereverIlaymyhat2021 · 14/03/2021 23:47

@rosetylersbiggun genuine question, before you went and over the course of the day did you think about Sarah’s family at all and her. Did you wonder what they might be making of all this?

Did you know Sarah’s family had asked people not to go? And if so why did you make a decision to disrespect their wishes, how do you think doing that has made them feel today?

RhubarbCustardy · 14/03/2021 23:47

"Reginaphalange2020"

I agree with everything you said there.