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To be angry at the frenzy caused by others last night

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BarometerTV · 14/03/2021 12:56

I think it was utterly disrespectful. We are in lockdown and it was not the right time for a protest. I agree with a quiet, respectful, socially distanced space to grieve - which is what appeared to happen during the day.

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BrightYellowDaffodil · 14/03/2021 19:03

For those saying that vigils and/or protests are illegal, this is a useful article: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56394344

The legislation covering Covid restrictions has not clarified whether a protest qualifies as a “reasonable excuse”. Somewhat unsurprisingly, ambiguity causes problems particularly when some protests have been allowed to take place and others not.

DuncinToffee · 14/03/2021 19:05

So they were repeatedly asked calmly to move and didn't

Still doesn't justify the use of force shown there.

LucieStar · 14/03/2021 19:05

[quote MercyBooth]**@oldegg123 The video of Patsy speaking had to be EDITED because she also mentioned the suspect.

I said to my DH last night that Hillsborough tactics would be used and they would be painted as anti lockdowners and Covid deniers. Many of them both last night and today were wearing masks. Covid deniers usually dont. Despite live feeds showing them wearing masks the rewriting history has already begun.[/quote]

That's not Patsy in the link @oldegg123 shared- it's a clearly extremely aggressive woman shouting in the face of a police officer trying to talk to her.

MissyB1 · 14/03/2021 19:05

The Police can never win, whatever they do people will hate them for it. Thankless bloody job for shit money, I feel sorry for them.

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BarometerTV · 14/03/2021 19:08

So a banner stating “killed by the system we are told protects” - is appropriate at a vigil?

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LucieStar · 14/03/2021 19:09

@BarometerTV

So a banner stating “killed by the system we are told protects” - is appropriate at a vigil?

The guy hasn't even been found guilty yet and banners like that are being paraded around.

52andblue · 14/03/2021 19:10

Just listening to Cressida Dick. She just doesn't get it, and she appears not to care (except about her own skin)

rippledegg · 14/03/2021 19:11

And we damn well need our police to support this. I want my daughter to feel safe walking home. Last night was wrong

I agree OP. It's disgusting how this tragic death is being exploited by a few to have a go at the police

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BarometerTV · 14/03/2021 19:14

@rippledegg exactly. The vast majority of police have sacrificed their own health and safety during this pandemic, and worked tirelessly to protect us. We should not discredit this.

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JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 14/03/2021 19:15

@DuncinToffee

So they were repeatedly asked calmly to move and didn't

Still doesn't justify the use of force shown there.

Exactly.

I think people think it's acceptable for the police to physically retaliate when people get on their nerves. Probably because that's exactly what they do and it's normalised.

oldegg123 · 14/03/2021 19:16

I said to my DH last night that Hillsborough tactics would be used and they would be painted as anti lockdowners and Covid deniers. Many of them both last night and today were wearing masks. Covid deniers usually dont. Despite live feeds showing them wearing masks the rewriting history has already begun.

But there clearly were people (not everyone) who a) weren't there to attend a quiet memorial and b) weren't even there on the basis of women's rights but were just looking for a fight.

The family asked people not to attend and a close friend of Sarah's said she wouldn't have wanted this. It's deeply disrespectful to use her memory to push for your own agenda.

Tangogolf55 · 14/03/2021 19:17

What about the ‘all cops are bastards’ banners too.... very appropriate for a vigil.

JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows · 14/03/2021 19:17

I don't need police who let their own sex offenders loose, arrest women who are me being stalked because they complain, assume a murderers black man must have been a thief and don't believe rape victims.

I'm sick of this "but the police protect us" rhetoric. No, the dont - there's institutionalised sexism and racism in ALL forces, it's a culture they're all part of and every single one is complicit in making that culture thrive

JoanWilderbeast · 14/03/2021 19:21

Did the family give permission for their personal tragedy and loss to be politicised?

peaceanddove · 14/03/2021 19:23

[quote oldegg123]Aye, a small proportion of people there turned a vigil about Sarah into a aggressive protest against the police with spitting, pushing and throwing objects. At that point the police had to get involved because there's a risk of others getting hurt.

There's this footage of a woman (some have said it's Patsy Stephenson but hard to tell) screaming in a officer's face with her mask slipping down. It's aggressive at the best of times but during a pandemic it's genuinely putting him at risk of exposure.

twitter.com/NormanBrennan/status/1371071586795720710[/quote]
My cousin and her friends attended the vigil and said it was peaceful and thoughtful during the afternoon. But early evening, large groups of women arrived who were intent on kicking off and set about provoking the police, deliberately. Lots of aggressive screaming, swearing and verbal abuse directed at the police. My cousin witnessed one of these more militant women verbally abusing several of the earlier, peaceful protesters 'for being in the fucking way'. And there was plenty of pushing and shoving among the women, long before the police stepped in.

DuncinToffee · 14/03/2021 19:24

So now only 'appropriate' banners should be allowed at a vigil? That is very much saying once again ' they were asking for it"
If only the banners had said' be kind'...

ImaginaryDragon · 14/03/2021 19:25

@Cabinfever10

Were you saying this about all the BLM protests at the height of the pandemic *@BarometerTV* ? Do women's lives matter? Should we just shut up and keep letting 1 woman be murdered every 3 days and all the sexual assaults happen because it's not convenient?
BLM is not relevant here. Nor is it appropriate to compare the lives and experiences of black people especially black women to Sarah Everard /violence against women. You do a disservice to both. Shame on you.
LucieStar · 14/03/2021 19:26

My cousin witnessed one of these more militant women verbally abusing several of the earlier, peaceful protesters 'for being in the fucking way'.

Lovely.

MercyBooth · 14/03/2021 19:31

it was peaceful in the afternoon. It was overtaken by protesters in the evening who spat, kicked, punched and hurled abuse at the police

Link please. And NOT the Sun if you dont mind.

BonnieDundee · 14/03/2021 19:34

I think people think it's acceptable for the police to physically retaliate when people get on their nerves. Probably because that's exactly what they do and it's normalised.

Agree. Still some people on this thread refuse to say it's not okay for that woman to be restrained the way she was. Totally disgusting and i hope they are not police officers

MercyBooth · 14/03/2021 19:34

@LucieStar i posted in response to an earlier post of @oldegg123

Christ some on here would put Kelvin McKenzie to shame

BrightYellowDaffodil · 14/03/2021 19:34

For those saying that Patsy Stevenson didn’t reference Sarah Everard, there is a more comprehensive interview here: www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/14/woman-pinned-ground-clapham-vigil-policing-disgraceful-sarah-everard

LucieStar · 14/03/2021 19:35

[quote MercyBooth]@LucieStar* i posted in response to an earlier post of *@oldegg123

Christ some on here would put Kelvin McKenzie to shame[/quote]
Oh right.
So what are your thoughts on the link @oldegg123 shared?

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