To be angry at the frenzy caused by others last night

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I think it was utterly disrespectful. We are in lockdown and it was not the right time for a protest. I agree with a quiet, respectful, socially distanced space to grieve - which is what appeared to happen during the day.

It’s SUCH an important message - to reclaim our streets. And we damn well need our police to support this. I want my daughter to feel safe walking home. Last night was wrong.

@BonnieDundee

I didn't comment on use of restraint - I said if the police are assaulted they have every right to make arrests

Out of interest do you think what they did to her was proportionate?

I have no idea, I wasn't there!

@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows it was peaceful in the afternoon. It was overtaken by protesters in the evening who spat, kicked, punched and hurled abuse at the police.

pre meditated banners, are they extra scary?

How is hurling a ‘fuck the police’ narrative EVER going to help solve this situation?

@DuncinToffee

@Dorsetdays

My 26yo old niece was there as she lives locally. However she left once the ‘protestors’ arrived determined to change what had been a peaceful vigil into something entirely different which is when the police intervened (her words).

She went home and lit a candle on her doorstep instead (as did we). Something the original organisers had asked for.

Apparently Sarah’s own family had also specifically asked for this not to go ahead. People should have respected that.

These people did not demonstrate in my name or on my behalf.

This is an experience widely shared by locals

[quote BarometerTV]@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows it was peaceful in the afternoon. It was overtaken by protesters in the evening who spat, kicked, punched and hurled abuse at the police.[/quote]
According to the Met Police but the only footage I've seen is of them dragging women away from railings. And pardon me if I don't trust a force that consistently covers it's arse for one of its own sex offenders, displays racism and tells rape victims they're liars. Other May take the word of those who claim keep us safe, but in fact work against us, but I certainly wont.

What I want to know is were the family ok with it going ahead ?

I think there is a difference between quiet remembrance and protest. I don't think any of the protests which have happened during lockdown should have happened. The event at the protest overshadow in this case the grief of the event and has become the story.

Surprised you havent seen the pictures.
What do you think now?

Pic

@BonnieDundee

You're misunderstanding me - I have seen the pictures. I still can't comment on proportionately can I? I have no idea what was said or done prior to that moment. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make or why you're questioning me about proportionality of restraint used. I simply said - if the police really were assaulted, then they have every right to arrest people for that. That alone was my point.

Aye, a small proportion of people there turned a vigil about Sarah into a aggressive protest against the police with spitting, pushing and throwing objects. At that point the police had to get involved because there's a risk of others getting hurt.

There's this footage of a woman (some have said it's Patsy Stephenson but hard to tell) screaming in a officer's face with her mask slipping down. It's aggressive at the best of times but during a pandemic it's genuinely putting him at risk of exposure.

twitter.com/NormanBrennan/status/1371071586795720710

[quote oldegg123]Aye, a small proportion of people there turned a vigil about Sarah into a aggressive protest against the police with spitting, pushing and throwing objects. At that point the police had to get involved because there's a risk of others getting hurt.

There's this footage of a woman (some have said it's Patsy Stephenson but hard to tell) screaming in a officer's face with her mask slipping down. It's aggressive at the best of times but during a pandemic it's genuinely putting him at risk of exposure.

twitter.com/NormanBrennan/status/1371071586795720710[/quote]

That exchange is interesting isn't it.

Aye, a small proportion of people there turned a vigil about Sarah into a aggressive protest against the police with spitting, pushing and throwing objects. At that point the police had to get involved because there's a risk of others getting hurt

Very true

The actual vigil had no trouble and no police intervention, no did any other commemoration over the whole of the rest of the weekend

But the people who turned up late doors were there solely for the reason of causing problems. Most of those spitting and lashing out at the police probably didn’t even know who the vigil was for. That’s the problem with protests. They end up being taken over by rent a mob types who turn up to anything which gives them an excuse to attack the authorities.

@UrAWizHarry

"It makes us women look like disrespectful harpies"

Jesus fucking Christ.

Especially depressing, misogyny loaded language coming from other women isn't it?

[quote LucieStar]@BonnieDundee

You're misunderstanding me - I have seen the pictures. I still can't comment on proportionately can I? I have no idea what was said or done prior to that moment. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make or why you're questioning me about proportionality of restraint used. I simply said - if the police really were assaulted, then they have every right to arrest people for that. That alone was my point. [/quote]
Here is footage prior to that photo moment

twitter.com/subjectaccesss/status/1370818510197248007?s=21

@Thisbastardcomputer

During the BLM protests the police were busy taking the knee. A woman murdered by a policeman and its all hands to the pumps.

Whilst I don't entirely disagree with this, the report into policing of the BLM events last year has shown that the police were disproportionately violent. Not all of them were taking the knee.

[quote BarometerTV]@JamesMiddletonsMarshmallows it was peaceful in the afternoon. It was overtaken by protesters in the evening who spat, kicked, punched and hurled abuse at the police.[/quote]
I would be a lot more believing of this if

A) it was not the line that is sent out each time there was a failure to manage a matter of public order

B) that there is not a very serious question about public order because of who was protesting, ie women

C) that the public order risk that a group of women represents versus dominantly male police officers is very variable

D) That there were reports of women being kettled at this protest, in direct operational contravention of the COVID rules, meaning that police action brought people closer together

E) The utter silence by the Met as to why this suspect was still in possession of their credentials some time after his identification for indecent exposure

F) Whether this suspect was effectively not scrutinized properly as someone who should have a hand gun

bonnedundee those pictures in isolation show nothing. It would be interesting to see what happened prior to that. Was she one of those people throwing things randomly, spitting and lashing out who may had been warned to stop? Or are you suggesting she was stood peacefully and was restrained just for the hell of it? I feel so sorry for Sarah’s family that this was the result of what was supposed to be a vigil for their daughter. I’m sure this wasn’t what they wanted. Why people couldn’t hold the vigil, peacefully, for an hour, then go home, i’ve no idea. It wasn’t necessary to drag it out during lockdown.

*Here is footage prior to that photo moment
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So they were repeatedly asked calmly to move and didn't.

@oldegg123 The video of Patsy speaking had to be EDITED because she also mentioned the suspect.

I said to my DH last night that Hillsborough tactics would be used and they would be painted as anti lockdowners and Covid deniers. Many of them both last night and today were wearing masks. Covid deniers usually dont. Despite live feeds showing them wearing masks the rewriting history has already begun.